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discussion The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions
- Thread starter Mr Krabs
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TBP88
Well-known member
You seem *intent* on not just canning this deal. Basically at step one when all these issues came to light was your chance to say "I do not want this" and walk away. You're likely now in a situation where you're gonna be stuck with the thing. Sigh. You have been *well* warned here on this. While you have plan make sure everything gets fixed that you can. And we all hope you don't run into more issues.
gumpertapolloss
Member
As a sales person at a "large" BMW dealership, I would have advised to reverse the deal.
The 10% loss is total BS. The Audi dealer should cover all costs!! (and they can sort their costs with the BMW dealer. You shouldn't be implicated here)
Each dealer evaluate vehicles before trade-in or buy out. They would have noted tires to be replaced and the fact that they chose to replace with Chinese tires, point to their cost cutting to save money and gain profit.
Red flags!! NO headlight bulb should have been replaced with aftermarket options. This points to the previous owner and how he/she took care of the car.
There's plenty 118's on the net, reverse the deal and get yourself another car.
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The 10% loss is total BS. The Audi dealer should cover all costs!! (and they can sort their costs with the BMW dealer. You shouldn't be implicated here)
Each dealer evaluate vehicles before trade-in or buy out. They would have noted tires to be replaced and the fact that they chose to replace with Chinese tires, point to their cost cutting to save money and gain profit.
Red flags!! NO headlight bulb should have been replaced with aftermarket options. This points to the previous owner and how he/she took care of the car.
There's plenty 118's on the net, reverse the deal and get yourself another car.
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r0ckf1re
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TurboLlew
Honorary ///Member
I had seen the post about 10% and just left it... not wanting to literally have to show someone they can't read for the second time... but since you mentioned it - exactly this. It is BS and this dude keeps buying it... or maybe it's just bait? It must surely be at this point? They are totally at fault (based on the information on hand). They know they are on the hook for the cancellation costs and that is at least part of the reason they are going out of their way to fix this at their cost. The WBC situation was also absolute horseshit. Just a little common sense and life experience would have gone a long way and it actually isn't his fault entirely since the parents are also in this movie.
Worrying about a mobility kit and wheels/tyres etc is the least of the issues at hand. All the stops on this road are basically the definition of pennywise and pound foolish. He could have bought any one of the fanatics cars available for sale and ended up better off. Throwing good money after bad or rushing into things is the order of the day as is making a decision and then hoping to hear and cherry pick the responses that support the already-made decision. I guess this is a good cautionary tale for why those sorts of discussions in the spotted for sale thread have merit to them in terms of dealer and individual car red flags that are literally visible in pics. I think Mr Krabs knows we will decimate this car when more pics are posted hence there are only two dealership pics that look suspiciously clean for a 60000+km commuter/rep/cheeseboy's first car.
Trying to spend R80K to fix a R60K car because of sunk costs on maintenance... and then doing it... on an E90 320i of all things... then still buying another car?
Paying for comforting lies with reports is not research. This is despite us basically needing to receive commission from Vindocs at this point and having a forensic investigation team in that 'cars for sale' thread... and a whole Coisman to help check records. Even then, the report notes that the wheels are damaged.
The solution was then spending R400K on an already old BMW to be thinking of financing... a 118i of all things... bought sight unseen for some inexplicable reason.... allegedly because runflats are absolutely essential and nothing else apparently has runflats... but then buys one without runflats... and then is somehow OK with the tyres but is worried about the buckled rims
.The needs include reliability, resilience and safety driving through dangerous areas but a R400K BMW with a replacement cost of double that is somehow not going to attract attention?
And failing all that, just from a practicality/cost perspective may get one R26K time based extension and a further, say R44.5K Mileage+10000km time based extension that will need to be paid for in cash. This is not on an M or M Performance car again... it's on a 118i. After this it will be cash or 'warranty' repairs while they will still be paying the bank for 2-3 years after its plan expires. I do feel like zero lessons have been learned between E90, WBC and this 118i.
I am sure I am not the only one that has walked away from red flags before (or negotiated based on the red flags) rather than bending over and asking for more. I have also walked from deals where everything was literally done but the dealer pulled a fast one on the numbers (In one case over R2500, though I was already fed up at that point... and I watched as the car sat for another 6 months on autotrader). I wonder why these tactics exist because surely nobody falls for them or tolerates them - but then there are situations like this and it's actually clearly because they work on more people than we think.
As for big dealers: Everyone should know by now that finding your wife in church means nothing
There are some cars that have gone from the pole to the convent... you might spot a sign or two of the past but otherwise be fooled and things will likely be fine in future. There are others that have gone from the crackhouse to the convent and the track marks are still visible everywhere. There is no hiding the past or stopping the issues it is going to bring. This is one of the latter I feel. We are still going to hear more about this car in future when undisclosed accident damage or repairs comes up.
TBP88
Well-known member
It does feel rather troll TBH, @OP, you've gone on with this for SIX pages of thread, sure some of it has been troll from all of us, but really - if you're anyway serious, just cancel this and walk FAR away, save some dosh, get a simpler, cheaper, runabout.I had seen the post about 10% and just left it... not wanting to literally have to show someone they can't read for the second time... but since you mentioned it - exactly this. It is BS and this dude keeps buying it... or maybe it's just bait? It must surely be at this point? They are totally at fault (based on the information on hand). They know they are on the hook for the cancellation costs and that is at least part of the reason they are going out of their way to fix this at their cost. The WBC situation was also absolute horseshit. Just a little common sense and life experience would have gone a long way and it actually isn't his fault entirely since the parents are also in this movie.
Worrying about a mobility kit and wheels/tyres etc is the least of the issues at hand. All the stops on this road are basically the definition of pennywise and pound foolish. He could have bought any one of the fanatics cars available for sale and ended up better off. Throwing good money after bad or rushing into things is the order of the day as is making a decision and then hoping to hear and cherry pick the responses that support the already-made decision. I guess this is a good cautionary tale for why those sorts of discussions in the spotted for sale thread have merit to them in terms of dealer and individual car red flags that are literally visible in pics. I think Mr Krabs knows we will decimate this car when more pics are posted hence there are only two dealership pics that look suspiciously clean for a 60000+km commuter/rep/cheeseboy's first car.
Trying to spend R80K to fix a R60K car because of sunk costs on maintenance... and then doing it... on an E90 320i of all things... then still buying another car?
Paying for comforting lies with reports is not research. This is despite us basically needing to receive commission from Vindocs at this point and having a forensic investigation team in that 'cars for sale' thread... and a whole Coisman to help check records. Even then, the report notes that the wheels are damaged.
The solution was then spending R400K on an already old BMW to be thinking of financing... a 118i of all things... bought sight unseen for some inexplicable reason.... allegedly because runflats are absolutely essential and nothing else apparently has runflats... but then buys one without runflats... and then is somehow OK with the tyres but is worried about the buckled rims
The needs include reliability, resilience and safety driving through dangerous areas but a R400K BMW with a replacement cost of double that is somehow not going to attract attention?
And failing all that, just from a practicality/cost perspective may get one R26K time based extension and a further, say R44.5K Mileage+10000km time based extension that will need to be paid for in cash. This is not on an M or M Performance car again... it's on a 118i. After this it will be cash or 'warranty' repairs while they will still be paying the bank for 2-3 years after its plan expires. I do feel like zero lessons have been learned between E90, WBC and this 118i.
I am sure I am not the only one that has walked away from red flags before (or negotiated based on the red flags) rather than bending over and asking for more. I have also walked from deals where everything was literally done but the dealer pulled a fast one on the numbers (In one case over R2500, though I was already fed up at that point... and I watched as the car sat for another 6 months on autotrader). I wonder why these tactics exist because surely nobody falls for them or tolerates them - but then there are situations like this and it's actually clearly because they work on more people than we think.
As for big dealers: Everyone should know by now that finding your wife in church means nothing
I get the feeling it may be too late now. The dealers have thrown money at it so they will be more reluctant to cancel. At the rate they are screwing OP, they may want him to pay for all the repairs done to date if he was to now make a U-turn and speak cancellation.
The other thing we are possibly overlooking is that Mr Krab (and / or mama and papa Krab) have already fallen in love with the car and matters of the heart can’t be solve by brains.
_Sa'oodSheik_
New member
I think at the end of the day if they get the car they wanted and they happy with it that's all that matters. What comes after will have to be his parents problem. I agree with a lot of what people have said and i would never buy a car without seeing it. That being said I also understand that if he requested either the car be fixed or the company reverses the transaction, the bank might of forced them to wait for BMW and AUDI Bloem. I don't think they gave MR Krabs the option to cancel and I can see how he would not have any power over that. For your own sake I hope the car keeps you guys safe and there aren't any underlying issues after. Best of luck in the future and hopefully you learn from this. From what others have said this seems to not be your first rodeo however some people are slow learners and i think a week later you have come far from where this originally was so congratulations for fighting the good fight. Hope your family enjoys the car.
Cheers buddy.
Cheers buddy.
Mr Krabs
Active member
Thanks everyone. Honestly, I think I should focus on my studies and responsibilities as a class rep at uni. With control systems engineering and other course material already taking up so much brain space, it’s a lot to process everything here too. I realize now I might not fully grasp some of the practical things that come with experience — I just genuinely don’t have the time to absorb everything right now with exams coming up. I am just asking questions as it comes, as I don't really know anyone to lean towards in this experience.
I did manage to speak to the previous owner yesterday, as I found his business card in the owner's manual. He mentioned he used the car for long provincial drives, which explains the mileage, and he suggested checking the front tires. There’s no accident history (apparently), and he mentioned he replaced the throttle valve at BMW, which is on the service record.
Thanks again for all the advice—it’s given me a lot to think about, and I’ll do my best to learn from it. Later everyone.
I did manage to speak to the previous owner yesterday, as I found his business card in the owner's manual. He mentioned he used the car for long provincial drives, which explains the mileage, and he suggested checking the front tires. There’s no accident history (apparently), and he mentioned he replaced the throttle valve at BMW, which is on the service record.
Thanks again for all the advice—it’s given me a lot to think about, and I’ll do my best to learn from it. Later everyone.
Na man I'm here for the updates
TBP88
Well-known member
You're letting the wrong people stimulate you if you're getting flare ups. Antibiotics can help.
M3boi
Well-known member
Listen, with all the sus IG reels you've been sending me I'm surprised you're not on antibiotics!
Greenz
///Member
You drive a prius.You've got no room to talk shit about anyone's vehicle preferences on this forum sir edge lord.
TBP88
Well-known member
I think there's a substantial difference to everyone piling on you for being a massive doos (peasant's gonna peasant? Really?) vs saying kak things for no reason. You have given us all PLENTY of reasons to think you're a dick. And you continue to do so.
Sabretooth tiger
///Member
Best way to get rid of an egotistic and down right toxic person is to starve it of all and any attention. I don't even bother with people like this guy. He will never change.
