Motorist goes on a Racist Rant

[Sabretooth tiger]

I always say to people at work, you have no control over how others act or re-act, but you DO have control over how YOU act and re-act.

Fact is crime is bad in the country, and fact is that there is too many racist people out there (from all ethnic groups). Crime or anger does not make one act racist or say racist things, racism does. If you can choose the worst possible time to act out in this manner, then now is your time to shine for ALL the wrong reasons.

There is a need for proper leadership in our societies. How many angry people does one see a day? I see many, I just have to take a drive and see people behaving like complete maniacs.
Pretoria is burning. If people can look past each other's skin colors and actually focus on what is important, and work together, we will ALL benefit.

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

My comment is as follows;

Chris Hart - "More than 25 yrs after the end of apartheid ended, the victims are increasing along with a sense of entitlement and hatred towards minorities"

Result of the above? - Lost his job and and became a social outcast "hated" by many.

Julius Malema - (singing voice on) - "dubul’ibhunu” (“shoot the boer”) - this is a direct incitement to commit a crime.

Result of the above? - Found guilty of "hate speech" and fined the cost of tree days legal fees for the Plaintiff in the matter.

Penny Sparrow - (her whole rant is too long to post but to use the phrase the press have been using in reporting on this idiot she "likened black people to monkeys" in a Facebook post.

Result of the above? - Taken to the equality court, found guilty of racism and fined R 150 000.00.

Velaphi Khumalo - "I want to cleans (sic) this country of all white people. we must act as Hilter did to the Jews....(and so on) " - this is hateful in the extreme as we all know that Hilter murdered people by the millions

Result of the above? - Given a final warning by his employer following an internal disciplinary hearing.

Now the latest blight - this stupid trash Vicky Momberg with her foul mouth prejudice.... She too is off to the Equality Court which is what she deserves.

BUT.

Here is my observation;

Hart said nothing offensive but lost his job
Sparrow's post was offensive and no amount of justification attempt on her part can put right what she said.
Vicky Momberg is a racist bigot. Yes she was traumatised but that does not mean you lash out with offensive racist language because that brings to the fore her underlying views of a section of the population.

However, in stark contrast, we have Malema and Khumalo who have verbalised and indeed incited others to MURDER a section of the population and have to all intents and purposes got away with a slap on the wrist.

There is more than a touch of irony in the Equality Court handing down less than equal punishments......

Or is there a distinction to be made between racist rants and hate speech?

And if so, then the only logical conclusion to be drawn is that racist rants are punishable by far harsher sentences than incitement to murder people.

That to me seems a little bizarre....both offences are equally abominable!

 

[pimpassdaddy]

I have no issue with being punished for racist remarks, however we must remember that punishment must be handed out to ALL who make racists remarks whether they are black,white,coloured,pink or purple

I feel that the lady is receiving a disproportionate amount of attention, and not a single word is uttered about the smash-n-grab SCUM that caused the crime in the first place.

I really hate comments like this, as if it's only white people that are affected by crime.

I think that comment was referring to the criminal, not the race of the criminal...

Another person who has completely missed the point. This issue isn't about the crime or the criminal, it's about a white women who clearly felt she can insult, repeatedly without any care, an entire nation.

I don't give a damn if she was shot at even, but I will not allow anyone to insult me and my fellow black people, than allow comments like "what about the criminal".

That in and of itself is a racist aspersion, because that is CONDONING racism. There are no degrees to racism. You are one, that's it. There are no beacons where it becomes ok to make racist comments, once you feel they've been passed. Add to that, that even "if" there were, there would be no universal agreement as to what they are.

@ET, check yourself! That comment was very dim!

 

[Venda Boy]

This things happening daily not sure why is even making news.

 

[ChefDJ]

This things happening daily not sure why is even making news.

Because it was caught on film.

 

[Venda Boy]

This things happening daily not sure why is even making news.

Because it was caught on film.

Media must stop reporting this issues. They only bring hatred to the nation.

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

I have no issue with being punished for racist remarks, however we must remember that punishment must be handed out to ALL who make racists remarks whether they are black,white,coloured,pink or purple

I feel that the lady is receiving a disproportionate amount of attention, and not a single word is uttered about the smash-n-grab SCUM that caused the crime in the first place.

I really hate comments like this, as if it's only white people that are affected by crime.

I think that comment was referring to the criminal, not the race of the criminal...

Another person who has completely missed the point. This issue isn't about the crime or the criminal, it's about a white women who clearly felt she can insult, repeatedly without any care, an entire nation.

I don't give a damn if she was shot at even, but I will not allow anyone to insult me and my fellow black people, than allow comments like "what about the criminal".

That in and of itself is a racist aspersion, because that is CONDONING racism. There are no degrees to racism. You are one, that's it. There are no beacons where it becomes ok to make racist comments, once you feel they've been passed. Add to that, that even "if" there were, there would be no universal agreement as to what they are.

@ET, check yourself! That comment was very dim!

Pimpassdaddy,

Please go to Google images and type in "Julius Malema kill the boer"

What this returns among many more images is the likes of

"Honeymoon is over for white people in South Africa"

and

"A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate"

Bigots exist in all walks of life in our country.

In as much as I understand that the utterances of this stupid bigot on video is offensive to you, please also understand that when an influential political leader allows and indeed condones the display of posters with the captions quoted above then it offends me. I should add, that BOTH instances are offensive to me. The stupid bigot white woman AND the captions quoted above. There is no place for EITHER utterance in society. Period!

This argument can never be one-sided. The scourge of intolerance of one another has to be routed out EQUALLY and from both sides of the spectrum.

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This things happening daily not sure why is even making news.

Because it was caught on film.

Media must stop reporting this issues. They only bring hatred to the nation.

Venda Boy you sir raise:raise:raise:

100% support your statement. The hatred has to stop from BOTH sides. It's tearing apart what could and indeed should be a vibrant country.:coolShake:

 

[Fuzz@tinyNET]

This things happening daily not sure why is even making news.

Because it was caught on film.

Media must stop reporting this issues. They only bring hatred to the nation.

See the sentiment behind where this is coming from, I used to believe it, but was rudely awakened by the censorship currently happening with the SABC.

Spent my days listening to their radio news and thought all was well in the world, suddenly logged into Facebook and received a rude awakening WRT the Pretoria protest action.

I don't particularly think that hiding the issue equates to it not being an issue anymore. Sad state of affairs and the saddest part is that most people that I know and interact with are progressive and want change, but nobody ever picks up on that or reports on Joe Soap who gave his shoes to a beggar or Fanatics who went above and beyond to assist Uncle Ben's Den.


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[Ofentse]

Ee die suster ga ana mekgwa maan. A ithute go bua, ke mokekolo ga a le byana, mara o no rogana o kare mapimpana a ithuta go bua... :RedNo:

 

[Coisman]

Ee die suster ga ana mekgwa maan. A ithute go bua, ke mokekolo ga a le byana, mara o no rogana o kare mapimpana a thuta go bua... :RedNo:

What he said ~)

 

[moranor@axis]

 

[pimpassdaddy]

I have no issue with being punished for racist remarks, however we must remember that punishment must be handed out to ALL who make racists remarks whether they are black,white,coloured,pink or purple

I feel that the lady is receiving a disproportionate amount of attention, and not a single word is uttered about the smash-n-grab SCUM that caused the crime in the first place.

I really hate comments like this, as if it's only white people that are affected by crime.

I think that comment was referring to the criminal, not the race of the criminal...

Another person who has completely missed the point. This issue isn't about the crime or the criminal, it's about a white women who clearly felt she can insult, repeatedly without any care, an entire nation.

I don't give a damn if she was shot at even, but I will not allow anyone to insult me and my fellow black people, than allow comments like "what about the criminal".

That in and of itself is a racist aspersion, because that is CONDONING racism. There are no degrees to racism. You are one, that's it. There are no beacons where it becomes ok to make racist comments, once you feel they've been passed. Add to that, that even "if" there were, there would be no universal agreement as to what they are.

@ET, check yourself! That comment was very dim!

Pimpassdaddy,

Please go to Google images and type in "Julius Malema kill the boer"

What this returns among many more images is the likes of

"Honeymoon is over for white people in South Africa"

and

"A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate"

Bigots exist in all walks of life in our country.

In as much as I understand that the utterances of this stupid bigot on video is offensive to you, please also understand that when an influential political leader allows and indeed condones the display of posters with the captions quoted above then it offends me. I should add, that BOTH instances are offensive to me. The stupid bigot white woman AND the captions quoted above. There is no place for EITHER utterance in society. Period!

This argument can never be one-sided. The scourge of intolerance of one another has to be routed out EQUALLY and from both sides of the spectrum.

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@WIDEOPN-X3

One thing you should understand, and understand well is that intolerance to a black person and to a white person IS NOT THE SAME. Do not even be under that illusion for second.

Racism comes from a place of power & privilege. A racist speaks from a position of superiority, while degrading the recipient.

With 100's of years of the black person having being degraded as a human, and in South Africa it being all up to 22 years or so ago, how in your right mind do you think that a slur towards a white person would be anywhere NEAR as hurtful as to a black person? Did you grow up in the township where the world around you said you were nothing, and poor education, squalor, is all you deserve?

You clearly haven't a clue as to what being black for the average black person is like. Please demonstrate the power and superiority base that a black person speaks to a white person from.

Black people have been hated for centuries. No where in the world, does the minority (white), own the majority of the resources.

Remember one thing, apartheid ended because it was no longer financially viable, not because there was a change of heart.

That is why black can't just "move on"... You approach this as if we're equal, and we are far from it.

 

[Coisman]

There is NO excuse for racism!!! NONE!!!!

People who always blame the past, and apartheid, and whatever need to get past this!!!

Fact is crime is crime, no matter black, white, pink or purple, male or female, or whatever!!!

I will tell you this though... SHOUT OUT to the cops on the scene who kept their cool, and not resort to violence themselves as so often also happen with power of authority.


So please guys, Having been in my profession for 22 years, and growing up in a household where my dad was AWB and very racist, I do not condone any form of racism, and my family knows this.

We as South Africans should move past what happened in history, and go forward...I mean just look how we get together at events, breakfast runs, race events, charity drives, and that for me is Family, and how SA should be.

Unfortunately crime will never go away, but resorting to racial attack was wrong.

I also having dealt with people in distress, know that it will bring out a side of people you would never expect to see normally...just look at yourself when something stressful happens, and you will see what I mean.

So yes, she was wrong with her statements! TOTALLY uncalled for, but I do understand her frustration and distress after what happened, and I feel that she needs to be educated in how she was wrong.

 

[moranor@axis]

kill every white person and take everything from them
then start with the Indians they must go back to India too
after that lets sort out these immigrants from the rest of Africa

where will the country be then? better than now?
is this the sort of South Africa the people want?

HATE speech is HATE speech no matter where it is directed and should be stamped out

Personally Im sick of Racism in this country from all sides

the past has caused many problems for South Africa but this path will make things much worse if we cannot find a way to work together and BUILD the country...

 

[ChefDJ]

That is why black can't just "move on"... You approach this as if we're equal, and we are far from it.

I am sorry to say this, but your thinking is then part of the problem. We should be working towards a future together, not reversing a legacy that racists created which has been demolished.

 

[Fuzz@tinyNET]

kill every white person and take everything from them
then start with the Indians they must go back to India too
after that lets sort out these immigrants from the rest of Africa

where will the country be then? better than now?
is this the sort of South Africa the people want?

HATE speech is HATE speech no matter where it is directed and should be stamped out

Personally Im sick of Racism in this country from all sides

the past has caused many problems for South Africa but this path will make things much worse if we cannot find a way to work together and BUILD the country...

This is of course easier said than done.

A possibly rudimentary and crude analogy:

You break up with a long time girlfriend, and it isn't simply on to the next one, you need time to heal from the memories, reminders, etc.

In the same way, a country that saw the masses oppressed for the benefit of the few also needs time to endure and eventually heal. Incidents like this only serve to re-open old wounds. It takes time to work out inequalities that were caused by inappropriate structures also.

It isn't an easy thing 'just getting over it'

If people were to get over things, will previously advantaged people also get over and let go of what they have inherited by means of an unfair society? See, it isn't that easy anymore...


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[Kimeran]

I have no issue with being punished for racist remarks, however we must remember that punishment must be handed out to ALL who make racists remarks whether they are black,white,coloured,pink or purple

I feel that the lady is receiving a disproportionate amount of attention, and not a single word is uttered about the smash-n-grab SCUM that caused the crime in the first place.

I really hate comments like this, as if it's only white people that are affected by crime.

I think that comment was referring to the criminal, not the race of the criminal...

Another person who has completely missed the point. This issue isn't about the crime or the criminal, it's about a white women who clearly felt she can insult, repeatedly without any care, an entire nation.

I don't give a damn if she was shot at even, but I will not allow anyone to insult me and my fellow black people, than allow comments like "what about the criminal".

That in and of itself is a racist aspersion, because that is CONDONING racism. There are no degrees to racism. You are one, that's it. There are no beacons where it becomes ok to make racist comments, once you feel they've been passed. Add to that, that even "if" there were, there would be no universal agreement as to what they are.

@ET, check yourself! That comment was very dim!

Pimpassdaddy,

Please go to Google images and type in "Julius Malema kill the boer"

What this returns among many more images is the likes of

"Honeymoon is over for white people in South Africa"

and

"A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate"

Bigots exist in all walks of life in our country.

In as much as I understand that the utterances of this stupid bigot on video is offensive to you, please also understand that when an influential political leader allows and indeed condones the display of posters with the captions quoted above then it offends me. I should add, that BOTH instances are offensive to me. The stupid bigot white woman AND the captions quoted above. There is no place for EITHER utterance in society. Period!

This argument can never be one-sided. The scourge of intolerance of one another has to be routed out EQUALLY and from both sides of the spectrum.

---

@WIDEOPN-X3

One thing you should understand, and understand well is that intolerance to a black person and to a white person IS NOT THE SAME. Do not even be under that illusion for second.

Racism comes from a place of power & privilege. A racist speaks from a position of superiority, while degrading the recipient.

With 100's of years of the black person having being degraded as a human, and in South Africa it being all up to 22 years or so ago, how in your right mind do you think that a slur towards a white person would be anywhere NEAR as hurtful as to a black person? Did you grow up in the township where the world around you said you were nothing, and poor education, squalor, is all you deserve?

You clearly haven't a clue as to what being black for the average black person is like. Please demonstrate the power and superiority base that a black person speaks to a white person from.

Black people have been hated for centuries. No where in the world, does the minority (white), own the majority of the resources.

Remember one thing, apartheid ended because it was no longer financially viable, not because there was a change of heart.

That is why black can't just "move on"... You approach this as if we're equal, and we are far from it.

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I'm sorry, but are you basically saying that it is less racist for a black person to hate a white person, than it is for a white person to hate a black person?

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

I have no issue with being punished for racist remarks, however we must remember that punishment must be handed out to ALL who make racists remarks whether they are black,white,coloured,pink or purple

I feel that the lady is receiving a disproportionate amount of attention, and not a single word is uttered about the smash-n-grab SCUM that caused the crime in the first place.

I really hate comments like this, as if it's only white people that are affected by crime.

I think that comment was referring to the criminal, not the race of the criminal...

Another person who has completely missed the point. This issue isn't about the crime or the criminal, it's about a white women who clearly felt she can insult, repeatedly without any care, an entire nation.

I don't give a damn if she was shot at even, but I will not allow anyone to insult me and my fellow black people, than allow comments like "what about the criminal".

That in and of itself is a racist aspersion, because that is CONDONING racism. There are no degrees to racism. You are one, that's it. There are no beacons where it becomes ok to make racist comments, once you feel they've been passed. Add to that, that even "if" there were, there would be no universal agreement as to what they are.

@ET, check yourself! That comment was very dim!

Pimpassdaddy,

Please go to Google images and type in "Julius Malema kill the boer"

What this returns among many more images is the likes of

"Honeymoon is over for white people in South Africa"

and

"A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate"

Bigots exist in all walks of life in our country.

In as much as I understand that the utterances of this stupid bigot on video is offensive to you, please also understand that when an influential political leader allows and indeed condones the display of posters with the captions quoted above then it offends me. I should add, that BOTH instances are offensive to me. The stupid bigot white woman AND the captions quoted above. There is no place for EITHER utterance in society. Period!

This argument can never be one-sided. The scourge of intolerance of one another has to be routed out EQUALLY and from both sides of the spectrum.

---

@WIDEOPN-X3

One thing you should understand, and understand well is that intolerance to a black person and to a white person IS NOT THE SAME. Do not even be under that illusion for second.

Racism comes from a place of power & privilege. A racist speaks from a position of superiority, while degrading the recipient.

With 100's of years of the black person having being degraded as a human, and in South Africa it being all up to 22 years or so ago, how in your right mind do you think that a slur towards a white person would be anywhere NEAR as hurtful as to a black person? Did you grow up in the township where the world around you said you were nothing, and poor education, squalor, is all you deserve?

You clearly haven't a clue as to what being black for the average black person is like. Please demonstrate the power and superiority base that a black person speaks to a white person from.

Black people have been hated for centuries. No where in the world, does the minority (white), own the majority of the resources.

Remember one thing, apartheid ended because it was no longer financially viable, not because there was a change of heart.

That is why black can't just "move on"... You approach this as if we're equal, and we are far from it.

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Just so I am clear Pimpassdaddy, because of the history you have illustrated above it is okay for someone to threaten to kill me, it is okay for someone to encourage people to become a killing machine motivated by hate? I just want to be absolutely clear on that point?

NOT ONCE have I condoned what this bigotted woman has said. Indeed I said it was abominable.

However in your response above, you have referred to what I illustrated is hurtful and causes distress to me as a "slur"; it is not a slur, it is a THREAT directed at me PURELY and ONLY because of the colour of my skin.

But by your assertion, that is acceptable.

I am pleased that you raised this point

"Racism comes from a place of power & privilege. A racist speaks from a position of superiority, while degrading the recipient."

By this definition then Mr Malema is most certainly a racist as he is indisputably in a position of power and most certainly leads a clearly privileged life nowadays. A life of opulence with Range Rovers, Breitlings and body guards......or have I got that wrong again.

I have said on a previous occasion that I would love to dissect and debate this over a few beers with you because inasmuch as I don't profess to have the slightest idea what it was like for you growing up, you seem out of touch with what its like being white in this country now where just because I am white I am potentially hated.

Two wrongs don't make a right and if we want to apply the adage of an eye for an eye we will end up as a blind nation.

Who does that then benefit sir?

 

[moranor@axis]

kill every white person and take everything from them
then start with the Indians they must go back to India too
after that lets sort out these immigrants from the rest of Africa

where will the country be then? better than now?
is this the sort of South Africa the people want?

HATE speech is HATE speech no matter where it is directed and should be stamped out

Personally Im sick of Racism in this country from all sides

the past has caused many problems for South Africa but this path will make things much worse if we cannot find a way to work together and BUILD the country...

This is of course easier said than done.

A possibly rudimentary and crude analogy:

You break up with a long time girlfriend, and it isn't simply on to the next one, you need time to heal from the memories, reminders, etc.

In the same way, a country that saw the masses oppressed for the benefit of the few also needs time to endure and eventually heal. Incidents like this only serve to re-open old wounds. It takes time to work out inequalities that were caused by impropriate structures also.

It isn't an easy thing 'just getting over it'

If people were to get over things, will previously advantaged people also get over and let go of what they have inherited by means of an unfair society? See, it isn't that easy anymore...


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most definitely not easy to move on when you still see the injustices every day and I completely understand where the hate comes from little has changed financially for most in 22 years

lets also not forget that almost everything WORTH doing is not easy

Im not questioning the feeling of injustice because it is very rightfully felt but rather the best way forward

I do not have the answers but only the feeling that oppressing people is not good in any form and a bit like making another Fire to kill the 1st one leaving you with nothing but burnt ground

so do we want to destroy the country to rebuild it? this is really what is at stake here when you look openly at the bigger picture

 

[MaX]

Byron Warner, a black Software Engineer from the US, wrote the following:

"One of the problems that arises when talking about racism is that there are different definitions, which causes confusion. How can we have a conversation about racism when are not talking about the same thing.

I did some looking round and seems like there are two common definitions:

1. Belief that races have qualities that are either superior or inferior to others.
2. A system of oppression that keeps one or more races subjugated

When black people say they can't be racist they are using the second definition. At a macro level this seems logical. What seems to irk whites is that on a micro level, person to person they feel that blacks do have the ability to threaten, abuse, oppress them.

So the answer depends on your definition of racism, naturally we pick the definition that suits our belief system."

In SA, I think white people tend to do what they can to not be racist according to definition 1 by treating everyone with respect etc. A lot of the times the racism that is being fought in SA refers to definition 2. I dont think a lot of white people are even aware of the 2nd definition hence the confusion that arises when these kind of debates arise. Byron's view definitely opened a new perspective to this debate for me.