F80 Comp vs G80 Comp

[TurboLlew]

These are apples to oranges comparisons and arguments IMHO

Would be nice to hear from all the people cross-shopping M3/4 and 911s...

...but I am not sure there will be many since I only seem to know of folks who have M cars as their dailies and then have dedicated track cars or 911s in addition to them. There is this assumption that you're going to use these cars on track or find the limits on the road and it just isn't true. For one and done the M3/4 is the clear choice. The M3 is still priced to serve this market overseas, but in SA it is now in a different tier (IMO) and by the time you're spending two million+ and shopping for a sports car, you aren't likely to need to make that choice. There is something about even base 911s (yes part of the brand and heritage as well) that feels special. You can own something faster or objectively better at many things and still desire something slower too. I don't see anyone upgrading from 911s to new M3s or M4s but we have even seen people move even to quite OLD 996/997/991 911s (and fall off contributing here afterwards sadly)

Don't get me wrong, the M3/4 (and others) are great for what they are as well. This all started because the M3 was the benchmark... and owners were then looking to the next benchmark which was (and probably still is) the 911 (as the GT-R did). As the GT-R has never replaced the 911 as the benchmark, the M3 (and M4) has also never really been replaced in its class.

 

[r0ckf1re]

Jeepers creepers! Ultra negative on your part, mate. The M3/M4 is a 375kw sports car now ..out of reach for almost all previous gen M owners. It's still a legend for what it is. The Carrera S is priced 30% above the M car..that's a beeg jump..it better provide a pure sports car experience.

You get 100% more car for 30% more money, that’s a great deal.


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[VinceM]

You’ll love the banter on Rennlist about these comparisons.

Porsche guys see BMW as an outright downgrade particularly around handling, car feel, etc.
Comments like “I bought a M5, it was an utterly boring car ”……”I have a M4 and a Cayenne GTS, I’d rather drive my GTS than M4”….

One never knows if its key board warriors or genuine, by and large they post their garages so tend to be sincere.

Then you go onto Bimmer forums argued differently…but still respect to Porsche. Older folk foregoing their Porsches (911/718) due to back problems. Most seem to regard M2 Comp / M2 CS as a great all-rounder. More comfy than M4 etc etc.

As everyone said, for an all-rounder car, difficult to beat M car proposition. Rear seats, decent boot. Logically these are better for daily use. M3 Touring . For a weekend car, as they say, Porsche is built as a sports car (ground up). Not easy to beat!


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[jld010]

You get 100% more car for 30% more money, that’s a great deal.


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[Red Line]

These are apples to oranges comparisons and arguments IMHO

Would be nice to hear from all the people cross-shopping M3/4 and 911s...

...but I am not sure there will be many since I only seem to know of folks who have M cars as their dailies and then have dedicated track cars or 911s in addition to them. There is this assumption that you're going to use these cars on track or find the limits on the road and it just isn't true. For one and done the M3/4 is the clear choice. The M3 is still priced to serve this market overseas, but in SA it is now in a different tier (IMO) and by the time you're spending two million+ and shopping for a sports car, you aren't likely to need to make that choice. There is something about even base 911s (yes part of the brand and heritage as well) that feels special. You can own something faster or objectively better at many things and still desire something slower too. I don't see anyone upgrading from 911s to new M3s or M4s but we have even seen people move even to quite OLD 996/997/991 911s (and fall off contributing here afterwards sadly)

Don't get me wrong, the M3/4 (and others) are great for what they are as well. This all started because the M3 was the benchmark... and owners were then looking to the next benchmark which was (and probably still is) the 911 (as the GT-R did). As the GT-R has never replaced the 911 as the benchmark, the M3 (and M4) has also never really been replaced in its class.

Well said and very valid points. It is an apples vs oranges comparison. An M3 is the benchmark in its class and will always be! The backseats and 4 doors if u go for the M3 over the M4 and decent boot makes it a “practical” daily car that can be used daily, you can go holiday with it and u can sit in traffic and it is the perfect all-rounder!

Porsche build and “feel” is next level even if u compare older/slower porsches to the newer and faster M cars. The drive is so much more direct that you will never doubt for a second that you are in a sports car. You don’t buy a porsche by looking at its kw and 0-100 (unless if u looking Turbo S league) which is over 5 bar of madness! Its the feel of the porsche much like how the M feels over say a 335i! Its hard to explain unless u behind the wheel. I love both and I am lucky enough to have both and will hope to keep both as long as I can but I think the porsche brand, customer service and mainly feel of the car will be the reason of me choosing that over the M if I had to keep one. @TurboLlew you are right even a base 911 is still a 911 and it is special.

 

[whiteunderarm]

I’ll chime in…

I’ve previously owned a E92 for 3 years, 2 F82’s for a total of 6 years and I’ve also owned 2 G80’s for a total of 18 months….

My first F82 back in 2014 was amazing, it ticked all the boxes for me at the time and being the first M4 it felt special…the coupe on that generation looked more sporty IMHO and I used it as a daily for 4 years without any issues. The second F82 was bought in 2020 and it was a monster of a car. Fully built engine pushing out approximately 550-600hp….used as a daily for 2 years, but due to the extensive mods on the car it became tiresome to drive as a daily…too loud, too raw too hard…perhaps it was me pushing closer to 40 that changed my needs or the fact that I now had a 2 year old child that made it too impractical as a daily.

The DCT on both the F82’s was a joy when driving spiritedly although sometimes clunky when driving chilled in stop go traffic. Maintenance was trouble free although I did do the preventative maintenance for known issues…charge cooler upgrade, rear diff bolt upgrade etc. Overall they were really fun cars to own and even though they sometimes tried to kill me, they both served their purpose and at the time I don’t think I would have chosen anything else on the market. Fuel consumption was horrible on the tuned F82 but tolerable on the untuned F82.

Fast forward a few years and I got into a G80 xdrive. Right off the bat I can tell you the G80 is MILES ahead as a daily driver….better handling, faster than my stock F82, better tech, similar fuel consumption as my stock F82, just overall a better vehicle. The ZF auto is somewhat slower than the DCT but with a simple R4000 software upgrade to the CS gearbox, suspension and steering software you would be hard pressed to feel any real difference in speed. The steering feel is where I feel the G80 loses out to the F82. The F82 wasn’t amazing, but it didn’t feel as numb at centre, the turn in is better on the G80 though. Comparing both to the E92 is where you really miss the old type steering…that car was light, felt light, turned in so well and you could feel exactly what the front wheels were doing at all times. I miss that car despite it being slow by today’s standards.

Back to the comparisons. Honestly if 4 doors aren’t a priority to you, I’d skip the RWD G80 and go straight to the G87 M2….its the better car in terms of size and in my opinion better looking, same performance essentially, same tech, and you can pick them up at a good price. If 4 doors are a must, the G80 is leaps and bounds ahead of the F80…even the RWD version…the way they have calibrated the software makes it a car that handles much much better than the F80, you won’t feel like the car is trying to kill you. If you can stretch it the xdrive is just on another level.

The way all cars are priced lately I think it’s a performance bargain…I mean even some bakkies cost over a million rand now…at 1.5 million you have a car that it truly a super car wrapped in a sedan’s clothing that doubles as an excellent daily…bat shit crazy when you need it to be, and totally civilised when you just cruising.