Discussion - SUV vs bakkie vs kombi / wagon

individj

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Tough choosing between this and an education for my kids :LOL:

I drove an older Prado over the weekend and will have to take it off my list. Given the 95% short distance travelling we'll be doing on a weekly basis, the fuel bill (be it petrol or diesel) will be significant. Given comments above I'd rather consider a 2.4 Fortuner.



Opinions on this 2016 X5? If it has full agents service history, are there any major concerns at this mileage? What's 4 tyres gonna cost me?

go and test a kombi . They are decent on fuel and it feels like a stationwagon after a month.
 

Nishcat_M140i

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Tough choosing between this and an education for my kids :LOL:

I drove an older Prado over the weekend and will have to take it off my list. Given the 95% short distance travelling we'll be doing on a weekly basis, the fuel bill (be it petrol or diesel) will be significant. Given comments above I'd rather consider a 2.4 Fortuner.



Opinions on this 2016 X5? If it has full agents service history, are there any major concerns at this mileage? What's 4 tyres gonna cost me?

Prado and Fortuner are honestly worlds apart, its superior in every way possible to the fortuner.

We had a 3.0 VX prado and a 4.0 fortuner, and you honestly cannot compare the 2 in terms of quality. I personally feel the Everest is a better option to the Fortuner as well.

This X5 looks pretty good as well. We also had experience with both the F15 and the G05. They good cars, you won't go wrong with the 30d.
 
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MLorgat

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I was going to advise on the X5 as my dad has a 2016 X5 Xdrive30d and it's given us wonderful service

I currently have a 2019 G05 but would consider selling it and getting a 2017-2018 F15 and Pocket the rest. Just shows how good it is. Whether it be Reliability or performance

The only reason I recommend the Fortuner is because of the price and maintenance compared to the X5

Tyres, Brakes, car batteries etc are a bit expensive comparatively but it's a solid option. will give a better drive and better fuel economy than all the other cars mentioned here

The only option I would consider would be the Xdrive30d and only 2016+ as they fixed a lot of early issues. Still plenty of 2014 and 2015 on the road tho with high mileage

Another thing I won't overlook is servicing the Gearbox, transfer case and differentials to keep everything running smooth
 

individj

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another thing to note is with regards to the boot space of the Kombi .... I always use the space under the seats to pack as well if I have a lot of things.
 

Malone1

New member
Recommendation
You could get a decent GWM P-Series with low mileage and service plan intact. I've owned a 2021 P-Series for about two and half years, with no real issues. Got it at 11000Kms and now on 80000+Kms. I have used it as daily for a few months and on all of the family and longer trips. For the holiday trips, we load everything for 8 people, along with gazebos, camp chairs and everything else, ETC, into the loadbin.

Passenger model has all the bells and whistles, radar cruise control, 360 cameras, ETC.


Pros
Fuel consumption is not bad,
Very comfortable,
Decent size rear seat,
Good driving position,
Good torque, towing is not an issue.
Cons (Known issues)
Faulty tyre pressure sensors - Replaced under warranty,
Electronic Handbrake switch - Replaced under warranty.
Recommend going for test drive.
 

Mytfine

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dont shoot me...I think the Prado is great and I actually was doing paperwork on a black one because I had 20" Works SUV wheels but pulled out at the last minute...as a car guy I can't do a Prado ...its so good its boring.
If you looking at a prado with 20inch works wheels then you miss the point of a prado totally. It's boring as a commuter, off the beaten track it really does shine.
 

Mytfine

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A buddy loaned me his fully loaded V class and it a very very nice place and has a ton of toys but the price is eye watering. That said if I could afford it and I still had a young I would grab it eyes closed.
 

individj

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If you looking at a prado with 20inch works wheels then you miss the point of a prado totally. It's boring as a commuter, off the beaten track it really does shine.
I wanted a Japanese 7 seater SUV and that was the only purpose for it...I did mild off roading with my range rovers but would rather do proper off roading in an old Toyota 4x4 bakkie or something. Off roading is fun but I wouldnt want to scratch my nice SUV
 

tamgoem

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You could not pay me enough to live with the Prado. It's hopeless. The Pajero that is a 10y older car outclasses it as a engineering piece, tech is obviously outdated but they are far more reliable.

Pavement hopping SUV's like the X5 are not great for practicality. All that bulk and it is still cramped inside and the boot is still decidedly useless. I could load a pram with the baby inside fully assembled into the boot of my old ML (and my departed fathers Pajero) go do that in a X5 and tell me how massive the boot is. This goes for the toureg and anything else that is german and fancy. Bulky outside, teensy inside. 7 seats, nope its 5+2.

Bakkies, are bakkies. She might like it she might hate it.

Kombi's are generally abolsutly awesome. Generally more fuel efficent thank a bakkie, bigger than a SUV and about as capable offroad as you are willing for it to be (read the VW 4motion ones)

If a old school SUV you want i would try and find the last of the last Pajero's. More poke than a Prado, equally stout without the theft risk.
If a pavement hopper you need, Volvo XC90 of sorts is the best at being a family car (or you can try the Hyundiani Pallisade)
Vans - VW Kombi 4Motion will get your far, just know its a VW and will find interesting ways to make you become besties with the mechanic of its choice. Vito is decent, but it's a minefield of abused and repo'd models out there. Staria can be a option as well.

But frankly what you should do, keep the Mazda, and just buy a Kombi for the odd use out of town. Right tool, right job. Asking something to be small for daily use, fuel efficent, but also big enough and venture offroad just adds cost and complexity.
 
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San11

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A 2017-2019 Fortuner 2.4 or 2.8 GD-6 is the best vehicle to suit your requirements. The only concern is the very real high theft rate, which you should consider, given that it will primarily serve as a family vehicle. If the high theft rate concerns you, the other strong options to consider (which also tick each of your requirements), are either an Isuzu MUX or Mitsubishi Pajero Sport.

FYI - would also strongly suggest that you fit a set of good all-terrain tyres for whichever option you decide to go with.
 

henriZA

Active member
But frankly what you should do, keep the Mazda, and just buy a Kombi for the odd use out of town. Right tool, right job. Asking something to be small for daily use, fuel efficent, but also big enough and venture offroad just adds cost and complexity.

Best route forward seems to keep the Mazda and I get a bigger car later in the year. I'll probably look at a Fortuner or bakkie of some sorts.

Thanks for everyone's inputs.
 

AshG108

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I would write-off any Toyota product primarily because you mentioned it being a family car. Yes many would not have had incidents but there are a ton of incidents where kids and adults have lost their lives just for this metal can.

I would say safest in that price bracket and best serving is the P-series bakkie. Many friends have them, they are very well spaced, load bin is massive, they are decent on fuel and packed with decent features. Even if you daily it, it would still be decent and you can hop pavements, play in the mud etc.
 
Get a V250d, tint the windows very dark and start making your own music videos.

On a serious note, a buddy just bought one for his shuttle and tours business. Its extremely comfy for a large 7 seater "kombi"
 

modocrat

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Get a V250d, tint the windows very dark and start making your own music videos.

On a serious note, a buddy just bought one for his shuttle and tours business. Its extremely comfy for a large 7 seater "kombi"
OP's budget is R420k boet. You need to spend more time in that Q5 😝
 

Nishcat_M140i

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A 2017-2019 Fortuner 2.4 or 2.8 GD-6 is the best vehicle to suit your requirements. The only concern is the very real high theft rate, which you should consider, given that it will primarily serve as a family vehicle. If the high theft rate concerns you, the other strong options to consider (which also tick each of your requirements), are either an Isuzu MUX or Mitsubishi Pajero Sport.

FYI - would also strongly suggest that you fit a set of good all-terrain tyres for whichever option you decide to go with.
A solution to prevent a fortuner from being high risk: Buy a 4.0 V6 Petrol.

The thieves don't have money for fuel. Very broke rogues 🤣 🤣
 
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