Coilovers and Motor Plan

tempogroove

New member
Hi. Anyone ever installed coilovers (or any other major part) without voiding motor plan? That is, is there a way to get BMW-SA onboard/notify them beforehand, so as to not get in trouble later on?

I’ve tried calling BMW Bryanston - they don’t sell em. BMW Northcliff didn’t have any for F40. Suggested I talk to workshop manager for alternatives - couldn’t get ahold of them.

Or maybe there’s a BMW dealership rep here? Welp
 

Nastaliq

Well-known member
there is no way. You can buy the M Performance HAS kit if it is available for your car.
1 millions percent correct.

BMW Has voided MP on cars that owners fitted non OEM spec tyres on then kept complaining about drivetrain issues.
They have voided for subwoofers, spacers, tunes, air intakes, downpipes and the list goes on.

BMW looks for the smallest thing to void your MP, its all in the fine print.
Theyre not "onboard" with anything not fitted in the factory or designed by BMW to be a retrofit.

After-market anything is a no.
 

tempogroove

New member
1 millions percent correct.

BMW Has voided MP on cars that owners fitted non OEM spec tyres on then kept complaining about drivetrain issues.
They have voided for subwoofers, spacers, tunes, air intakes, downpipes and the list goes on.

BMW looks for the smallest thing to void your MP, its all in the fine print.
Theyre not "onboard" with anything not fitted in the factory or designed by BMW to be a retrofit.

After-market anything is a no.
Sheesh. So all these modded and lowered beamers, less than 5 years old, that I see on the road are just owners risking it.. or cars that just don’t have motor plans I guess

I quite like my 128ti - just wanted somethin to soften the ride - it’s quite bumpy
 

AudiDriver

Active member
I replaced the OE shocks and springs with KW V3 coilovers on mine and it never bothered BMW one bit.


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TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Sheesh. So all these modded and lowered beamers, less than 5 years old, that I see on the road are just owners risking it.. or cars that just don’t have motor plans I guess

I quite like my 128ti - just wanted somethin to soften the ride - it’s quite bumpy

Yes and no.

If they have coilovers, they are taking chances largely or they genuinely don't care about motorplan (this is a real thing) - they remove the springs if claiming for something that is likely to have them working around the general area. There are even people (on cars that don't call home) that will remove the downpipes before sending it in. Folks are committed LOL.

You hope that your car is not flagged via social media or some dipshit with an axe to grind for an inspection when it comes in (has happened to me with my F10), that you have friendly dealership faces (and you are not stuck/towed to a non-friendly dealer at some point) or that techs (or the random inspectors that visit dealers) don't spot the neon yellow and purple bits of your suspension that are TOTALLY stock...

Anyway, I am sure you have seen the host of nearly brand new cars that have no motorplans advertised on Autotrader - while it is mostly for performance mods, many have found out the hard way (and it is not just BMW).

Many of the lowered cars you see may have one of the two BMW approved options: AC Schnitzer springs (I had these on my F10) and the height adjustable system (KW HAS rebadged/recoloured as M Performance) on the F90. Having had the HAS I wouldn't bother with springs again.

Don't listen to anyone who says they didn't have issues in the past. It is a complete ballache dealing with this in 2025. All fun and games until you send your car for service and they want to inspect further or your car is on a flatbed and BMW SPECIFICALLY requests it goes to a certain dealer that isn't your regular one.

On to your actual use case (if that is true :ROFLMAO: :LOL: ) , the coilovers that are going to be more comfortable AND still have performance credentials range from R50-100K (Higher tier KWs, Ohlins etc). On a 128ti, I am guessing that is not going to be feasible. I don't care what bridge you are being sold, that is reality for anyone who has tried 'budget' shock/spring combos, cheap coilovers will tell you there is no comfort or performance to be found: it's for the look. Even 'good mid-tier' coilovers from BC or entry level KWs between R20-35K that can be used for track use and are a performance upgrade are at-best a side-grade in comfort (this is specifically on comfort not actually reducing your laptimes for instance which they will accomplish).
 

Quick///M

Well-known member
They probably dont know about it.
They also troll these forums to find out what people are up to.
exactly this, the trolls are looking for cars that have been modded, if you have KW coil overs and think its safe than maybe you lucky.... I won't do that unless you know people
 

AudiDriver

Active member
My feedback is based on my personal experience. It isn’t difficult to spot a set of KW over stock suspension when the car is on the lift - anyone that says otherwise has probably never seen the underside of a car :). Besides that, I always listed it as a modification when booking the car in for a service. So comments that the dealership ‘didn’t know about it’ are a bit silly, I think. I don't normally write long responses, since these are invariably picked apart by others, and I also don't have the time for long debates anymore. Car forums became a bit boring when people stopped modding their cars, in my opinion. I remember the "good old days" when most members had some kind of mod, mostly performance enhancing parts and software and we compared and analysed our logs to determine whose software made the most power, while maintaining safe ignition, engine temps etc. We installed different coolers and compared logs before and after to post some real -world results; added meth and did it again; tested various types of octane boosters with maps with advanced timing settings to compare which pulled the least timing retard etc. Those were interesting times - data fascinate me, but that's the engineer in me and probably not everyone's cup of team - or brew of lager.

I didn't like the standard suspension of the M2 - it was skittish and always wanted to get you too far sideways with the slightest throttle input around a corner. The KW corrected all of this, a major improvement in my opinion. I could have gone for the Motorsport option, which is the same suspension with BMW brand and different colours, but I got the KW for R 5k less, so fitted that.

At the time I asked my parts supplier and the Service Advisor what the risks would be, and both said that BMW would obviously not cover any warranty claims on the suspension - that seemed logical, and hence I drove all the way to Balito to have it fitted by the KW agents for SA.

I also fitted upgraded charge pipes, which I bought from Firi, and the only complaint I ever got about those were that they would take longer to remove and thus added some labour time.

I also ran a JB4 piggy-back setup, which I removed before each service - I never had any issues with that either.

I'm not saying there isn't risk if you modify a car under plan, but the best people to ask are the guys and girls at the dealership, the people that deal with these issues on a regular basis. I know of people that had their plans cancelled - there were such examples and you sometimes saw an M-car advertised on Autotrader, for example, with comments that the motorplan had been cancelled. I don't know the circumstances of these, but that has never happened to me personally, and I've been modifying my cars while under plan since 2006, albeit most of them Audis. The mechanics used to give praise for tasteful mods - my S4 with RGM exhaust and custom cooling with stage 1.5 Revo and upgraded pulley was a hit back in the day.

Times have changed, I suppose...but modding remains a part of the enjoyment of car ownership for me. That said I don't know what I would mod on a new G87 M2 or G80 M3 for that matter - they're quick enough rolling off the showroom floor. Perhaps I would try to figure out ways to make it lose some weight, although it would be an exercise in futility I suppose, and one would be better off accepting that the newer "small M cars" are closer to their bigger siblings than the previous gen models. The same can be said for a Porsche - if I ever find an itch to own a Cayman GT4 or a 9112 GTS, I probably would only look at suspension and/or low-key braking upgrades aimed at improving track times, and leave the rest of the car as is.

OP's car is an F40, so I digress, but if I was the OP, I would reach out to some people that have done this on their cars before, without facing any warranty issues or motorplans being voided. It isn't about luck, necessarily, it is about being informed when making these decisions, and using all resources at your disposal, including, but not limited to, car forums.

I personally wouldn't ever fit lowering springs on a car, as these do nothing to improve the actual handling of the car and may in fact make it worse by reducing suspension travel without adjusting damping of the shock absorber. I would also avoid cheap suspension upgrades - while on the expensive side, a proper set of KW coilovers will make a big difference to the enjoyment of a daily driver without compromising ride quality or reliability.

This must be the longest post I have written on Fanatics, ever, and cost me 30 minutes of precious work time. I hope it adds value, and if not, then at least I had the enjoyment of travelling down memory lane for a bit.
 
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TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
I don't think we are saying you are lying. We are saying your experience no longer applies in 2025 with BMW the way they are. You experience has also been my experience with many of my mods even fitted by workshop staff on prior cars and my S2000 regularly arriving at Honda Melrose directly from track days to have cash fluid and brake changes while maintaining warranty. You can't rely on dealership staff remaining constant either or that they won't have one of their random visits. I find as soon as I have built up rapport with an SA or workshop staff they end up leaving or emigrating. Consistency is also a problem with BMW themselves: again I will use the example of BMW voiding warranties of those who fitted Akrapovic exhausts that they said would be fine, while also fitting identical M Performance branded versions. I don't know if those were ever reinstated.

If people want to try doing this they are welcome to take their own risks. Good luck with a JB4 in 2025 on any new car with the more advanced telemetry either. It was a different time that again no longer exists for the most part. Not saying you can't get lucky somehow, but in the past you may have been 'unlucky' to be 'caught' - today you are going to be 'lucky' to escape.

Modifying a car is fun - I don't think any of us will ever deny it, whether it is for power or quarter times or track times. Just that you can't expect to keep your warranty while doing it these days unless you use one of the manufacturer's curated ways of controlling what you add to it - and let's face it they know people want to mod and they want a share of that pie hence M Performance and PSEs etc exist and they have locked everything else out under threat of losing your cover. On the bright side, at least we are just facing losing a warranty and we are not in one of those countries/provinces/states where it is becoming illegal to do mods at all,
 

AudiDriver

Active member
I never thought my integrity was at question, but thanks anyway Llew!

I think a part of the motoring industry, an era even and a following of enthusiasts is slowly starving as a result of these changes, but I suppose modern cars have become so expensive to repair that a line has to be drawn. It is too bad really.

One can hardly explain the rationale behind unilateral cancellation of a motorplan and warranty on the basis of a customer fitting a recognised brand of exhaust or coilovers - especially considering that cost of motorplan and warranty is included in the price of these cars. We should really all stop buying German cars and buy an Asian brand instead...
 

TBP88

Well-known member
At the end of the day motorplan covering services is a small fraction of what you're paying for - you're paying for, essentially, insurance. If something catastrophic goes wrong, BMW will make your call whole.

IF, say, your gearbox goes. BMW can easily say - it's because your suspension was harsher and hte mounts wore faster now the box broke so you're to blame and plan won't apply (just an EG). The issue is that the real value of motorplan is literally only in the event of something going *seriously* wrong. Plan covering your oil and filter means nothing. Plan covering a replacement engine might be 2/3/4/500k.
 

AudiDriver

Active member
This discussion is almost too serious.

For the sake of staying in the debate and throwing another keyboard punch…

Scenario: hard use 5 years AND 100 000 km on 2020 M2

3 sets front brake pads R25000
1 set rear brake pads R4000
1 set brake discs R20000
1 battery R7000
2 pairs air filters R2400
1 pair wiper blades R1500
Oils, filters, services R25000

Total say R 95k on new car value R1,200k, say 8%.

Say average 6%. An crude but educated estimate. Would you call that insignificant?

BMW has data on service cost for every vehicle sold under motorplan, so they can calculate it accurately and would add the average % of motorplan cost to the cost of the vehicle. Very easy to do very accurately with very low risk to manufacturer.

Warranty is insurance for the customer. For BMW it is the lower of a) the cost to do better quality control, design and testing vs b) acceptance of some failures during use.

The more models and the more frequent introduction of changes and technology, the higher the risk of failure, all other variables assumed to be the same.

Hence e.g. Toyota boring tech and long model / part shelf life vs legendary reliability. Their customers probably value reliability over latest design, most modern and highest performing engine and most dynamic driving experience.

Having T&Cs that allows unilateral cancellation of warranty and plan allows over time for lower overhead cost and savings that can be used to distribute as profits or lower margins on sales (who knows?).

To argue that coilovers contribute to failed gearbox is irrational; more likely abuse and stupidity by end user, including regular launches and other silly antics, 20 rounds around Red Star etc.

Fortunately BMW SA (and the rest of the World) does not need an argument to apply the fine print.

I doubt 2025 is that much different compared to 2023. I’ve been reading these threats for as long as I have been a troll on car forums. There is always a chance your card is pulled. Is it a 20%, 40%, 60% chance? No one knows for sure, except the OEM.

On my garage queen that is used 5000 km per annum max, I don’t give a damn; someone that needs 100 000 km trouble free motoring to maintain affordability of a daily should not mess around.

My advice to OP: would BMW cancel your plan and warranty? They may. What are the odds? Between unlikely to almost certain, depending who you ask. Should you risk it? It depends whether you can afford to live without plan…is the risk worth the validation of a few compliments and stares and/or personal satisfaction?


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Mytfine

Well-known member
If you look from BMW's perspective the harsh rules are not for the guy just putting software and maybe an exhaust, its for the ones modifying the car to an inch of its life , breaking it, putting everything back to stock and claiming on motor plan. Now obviously they can't evaluate each car on a one by one basis so the rules apply to everyone.

And to be very honest I would do the same if I was a manufacturer. Everybody and his dog these days are so called expert tuners on turbo cars and dabble in things they really shouldn't unless they have years of experience and paid the school fees and learnt how to err on the side of caution.
 

TBP88

Well-known member
Again, it's a risk/reward thing. But the chances they check your car are not 0. The chances that if something goes seriously wrong they'll find any reason they can to cancel plan - that is damn near 100%. a few services over 5yrs racks up a nice total, but it's a slow burn cost, a few grand a year accumulated. A single bullet of R200k+ (and lets be real, a new crate S55 is probably more like R500k+ ex labour) is a different world - unless you're seriously rich and the money/plan means nothing. That will hurt a ton. It's insurance, so if you're less risk averse and willing to roll the dice a bit - then yes, you can take the risk, it'll ALMOST certainly work out fine. But for every 99 guys it's fine for, for 1 guy it isn't fine and he ends up with no plan and a blown motor with plan cancelled because he changed rims or some other mad excuse.
 
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