BMW G87 M2 CS

[Quick///M]

I was firmly in the “I don’t like the G87” camp, but overtime it’s grown on me to the point where I now consider it a car that is muscular, striking, & very different to anything else on the road…it’s not the most beautiful BMW ever made, but it certainly has presence in the road… and for 1.3M it’s a performance bargain…what else could you choose at that price point that has that level of performance? I’d choose it every time over an RS3… The CS however seems to have been a half hearted attempt by BMW….I expected more at that price point…

I was in the same camp, I guess times change. In actual fact I got way my compliments on my G87 than my previous F82 M4. The car has gained respect amongst petrol heads there is a small minority who will carry on about it being a Lego car, I have driven RS3 and A45s give me the lego car any day. I haven't seen a G87 on BMW Midrand's showroom floor stay there for more than 2 to 4 weeks before its scooped up! So I guess Lego's will always sell because the kid in everyone must have one.

 

[Quick///M]

Where is everyone seeing this for R1.3M? You're not the first to quote this number. It starts at nearly 20% more than that... STARTS.

https://www.autotrader.co.za/cars-for-sale/bmw/m2?sortorder=PriceLow&year=2023-to-2024

 

[TurboLlew]

https://www.autotrader.co.za/cars-for-sale/bmw/m2?sortorder=PriceLow&year=2023-to-2024

Oh, you mean used and/or with no plan

 

[TurboLlew]

I was in the same camp, I guess times change. In actual fact I got way my compliments on my G87 than my previous F82 M4. The car has gained respect amongst petrol heads there is a small minority who will carry on about it being a Lego car, I have driven RS3 and A45s give me the lego car any day. I haven't seen a G87 on BMW Midrand's showroom floor stay there for more than 2 to 4 weeks before its scooped up! So I guess Lego's will always sell because the kid in everyone must have one.

There is no doubt the base car is a capable car for the money and certainly a bargain for what it is. in the current market.. even at the 'actual' price of R1.5M. Beauty.... well I guess is in the eye of the beholder... its IMHO not a small minority that don't like the looks. The fact that the car is so capable that you can look past it is not a 'bad' thing I guess LOL EDIT: sort of like GD Subarus ...

But back to this topic, why would you ever need a CS that looks (even) worse for 50%+ more money? If you're looking for something different, it would be cheaper to get that Adro kit (or a few pieces of it) that (for me) fixes all the 'design quirks'. If you want something actually track-focused you're better off spending that delta in price to the CS on other stuff as well. This was not always the case with the Competition/ZCP or 'actual' special cars like the GTS or DTM which gave you alot 'more' for the money.

Again - not sure who this car is meant for exactly (the CS specifically, not the M2), but it certainly isn't me. That said, after all this talk/debate they will be sold out on day one and never seen in the open again

 

[YozTruly]

That design will never be handsome..it will forever be the Lego M2. That front is unforgiving..the Cs pricing will never make sense..the M4 Cs was a flop..I think they all flops tbh. It's still a nice car though..the G87 pricing is hovering around the 1.3m mark now..which is sensible in comparison to the competition..and the G82 is so much more expensive..so one can entertain the thought of the G87 with the screens..but the design language is too "bastardized" to consider this a flex car

To be fair to BMW, they only make 3 beautiful cars at the moment. The X7, the X5 and the non-M 3 series.

Everything else will grow on you. . . Hopefully.

Edit: didn’t realise there is a new X7 with split front lights. Replace it with 8 series on the beautiful BMW list.

 

[whiteunderarm]

Where is everyone seeing this for R1.3M? You're not the first to quote this number. It starts at nearly 20% more than that... STARTS.

If you’re buying new yes…AutoTrader have a few examples ranging from 1.3m upwards…

 

[whiteunderarm]

There is no doubt the base car is a capable car for the money and certainly a bargain for what it is. in the current market.. even at the 'actual' price of R1.5M. Beauty.... well I guess is in the eye of the beholder... its IMHO not a small minority that don't like the looks. The fact that the car is so capable that you can look past it is not a 'bad' thing I guess LOL EDIT: sort of like GD Subarus ...

But back to this topic, why would you ever need a CS that looks (even) worse for 50%+ more money? If you're looking for something different, it would be cheaper to get that Adro kit (or a few pieces of it) that (for me) fixes all the 'design quirks'. If you want something actually track-focused you're better off spending that delta in price to the CS on other stuff as well. This was not always the case with the Competition/ZCP or 'actual' special cars like the GTS or DTM which gave you alot 'more' for the money.

Again - not sure who this car is meant for exactly (the CS specifically, not the M2), but it certainly isn't me. That said, after all this talk/debate they will be sold out on day one and never seen in the open again

With you on this one…perhaps real die hard CS fans will jump on it….but for the money I’d take a base 911….in fact id take the base 911 over my G80, I’d even take a 991 over my G80… but alas I needed 4 doors & still wanted to have some fun…so G80 it was…

 

[tamgoem]

There is no doubt the base car is a capable car for the money and certainly a bargain for what it is. in the current market.. even at the 'actual' price of R1.5M. Beauty.... well I guess is in the eye of the beholder... its IMHO not a small minority that don't like the looks. The fact that the car is so capable that you can look past it is not a 'bad' thing I guess LOL EDIT: sort of like GD Subarus ...

But back to this topic, why would you ever need a CS that looks (even) worse for 50%+ more money? If you're looking for something different, it would be cheaper to get that Adro kit (or a few pieces of it) that (for me) fixes all the 'design quirks'. If you want something actually track-focused you're better off spending that delta in price to the CS on other stuff as well. This was not always the case with the Competition/ZCP or 'actual' special cars like the GTS or DTM which gave you alot 'more' for the money.

Again - not sure who this car is meant for exactly (the CS specifically, not the M2), but it certainly isn't me. That said, after all this talk/debate they will be sold out on day one and never seen in the open again

I think they launched at 1.39 million 2 years ago.

Eitherway i adore the boxy looks, but it is such a dull car.

 

[Quick///M]

I think they launched at 1.39 million 2 years ago.

Eitherway i adore the boxy looks, but it is such a dull car.

They launched at R1 510 000

 

[Quick///M]

Quickly watched the Carwow high level review on YouTube. Base price in the UK sans extras is £86,000 which translates roughly to just over R2mil at current ROE. Eish.

Sales at bmw say R1.9 to 2

 

[FiRi@Rennzport]

I think they launched at 1.39 million 2 years ago.

Eitherway i adore the boxy looks, but it is such a dull car.

Dull as in?

 

[jld010]

With you on this one…perhaps real die hard CS fans will jump on it….but for the money I’d take a base 911….in fact id take the base 911 over my G80, I’d even take a 991 over my G80… but alas I needed 4 doors & still wanted to have some fun…so G80 it was…

Base 911 through to GTS pricing is a scam similar to G87/G82/F82/F90CS level of disconnect with mkt. Porsche is just over priced. If Porsche was 20-30% pricier I would entertain the idea of purchasing an entry level T or S. They do depreciate less but I'm taking G8x all day over an entry level 270kw over priced Porsche.

 

[tamgoem]

Dull as in?

"lacking interest or excitement."

As it, the steering is absolutely lifeless, the engine makes the same noise just louder or softer well i suppose the stereo does that, interior just seems festooned with cheapness the manual is meh, the auto is well auto and the ride is not right for a car that big and heavy it should be more composed/balanced.

I am sure everyone who is interested in pops and bangs love it and parking it outside their local showoff spot will love it. I just don't care it is a car i could not be bothered with.

 

[tamgoem]

Base 911 through to GTS pricing is a scam similar to G87/G82/F82/F90CS level of disconnect with mkt. Porsche is just over priced. If Porsche was 20-30% pricier I would entertain the idea of purchasing an entry level T or S. They do depreciate less but I'm taking G8x all day over an entry level 270kw over priced Porsche.

911 is a sportscar a bespoke chassis with bespoke engines and the rest, the other is and will remain a repmobile whipped into shape. 2.3 mil for a M3 vs 3 mil for a 911T is a big delta and not sure how many people cross shop with almost a third pricing difference between the two. Not sure how less power makes it overpriced.

I would love to have a 911T (or actually just a manual 997S Cabrio) in my garage but alas, at 7 cars my other half has said no more cars.

 

[KPM3_30]

at 7 cars my other half has said no more cars.

Side bar, would love to know what currently makes up your 7 car garage?

 

[tamgoem]

Side bar, would love to know what currently makes up your 7 car garage?

Prius in Silver
Prius in Grey
S350 Bluetec
Cayenne
Z4M Roadster
Mini CooperS Cabrio
CT200h (now sold)

 

[TurboLlew]

ITT people who have never driven a 911...

Anyway I have reailsed that there is nobody who bought an M3 or M4 that really wanted or cross shopped a 911 anyway... And 911 owners wouldn't care about the 'value' of a car that drops like a stone even if it is the same/faster. M3 probably barely registers as existing.

I don't know how a car loosely based on a repmobile that loses 1 whole million in value in 4 years (not inflation adjusted) is not a scam vs. a purpose built car that retains the majority of its value (if not increases on some models) over the same time frame? Does that not quite 'scientifically' demonstrate that there is greater value in one than the other? Which one is the actual scam?

Whether it is a better car or not is irrelevant to this: this is not about the M3 not being a good car so don't shoot me... it is about what logic leads to a 911 constituting a scam or worrying about 'value'? It is literally better value to spend the 20% more (which is what? R400K?) and then in 4-5 years still have something of roughly the same value in the end (even if it has technically devalued due to inflation, it hasn't devalued by R1M plus the inflationary impact).

In the end, in typical fashion people buy this depreciated to all hell car and manifest it's value back upwards saying its 'appreciating in value' Unfortunately you generally can't cosplay a rich person like this with a Porsche in quite the same way as you can with a BMW/Merc.

I give up.

 

[tamgoem]

ITT people who have never driven a 911...

Anyway I have reailsed that there is nobody who bought an M3 or M4 that really wanted or cross shopped a 911 anyway... And 911 owners wouldn't care about the 'value' of a car that drops like a stone even if it is the same/faster. M3 probably barely registers as existing.

I don't know how a car loosely based on a repmobile that loses 1 whole million in value in 4 years (not inflation adjusted) is not a scam vs. a purpose built car that retains the majority of its value (if not increases on some models) over the same time frame? Does that not quite 'scientifically' demonstrate that there is greater value in one than the other? Which one is the actual scam?

Whether it is a better car or not is irrelevant to this: this is not about the M3 not being a good car so don't shoot me... it is about what logic leads to a 911 constituting a scam or worrying about 'value'? It is literally better value to spend the 20% more (which is what? R400K?) and then in 4-5 years still have something of roughly the same value in the end (even if it has technically devalued due to inflation, it hasn't devalued by R1M plus the inflationary impact).

In the end, in typical fashion people buy this depreciated to all hell car and manifest it's value back upwards saying its 'appreciating in value' Unfortunately you generally can't cosplay a rich person like this with a Porsche in quite the same way as you can with a BMW/Merc.

I give up.

I can literally feel the frustration with with silly statements here.

 

[whiteunderarm]

ITT people who have never driven a 911...

Anyway I have reailsed that there is nobody who bought an M3 or M4 that really wanted or cross shopped a 911 anyway... And 911 owners wouldn't care about the 'value' of a car that drops like a stone even if it is the same/faster. M3 probably barely registers as existing.

I don't know how a car loosely based on a repmobile that loses 1 whole million in value in 4 years (not inflation adjusted) is not a scam vs. a purpose built car that retains the majority of its value (if not increases on some models) over the same time frame? Does that not quite 'scientifically' demonstrate that there is greater value in one than the other? Which one is the actual scam?

Whether it is a better car or not is irrelevant to this: this is not about the M3 not being a good car so don't shoot me... it is about what logic leads to a 911 constituting a scam or worrying about 'value'? It is literally better value to spend the 20% more (which is what? R400K?) and then in 4-5 years still have something of roughly the same value in the end (even if it has technically devalued due to inflation, it hasn't devalued by R1M plus the inflationary impact).

In the end, in typical fashion people buy this depreciated to all hell car and manifest it's value back upwards saying its 'appreciating in value' Unfortunately you generally can't cosplay a rich person like this with a Porsche in quite the same way as you can with a BMW/Merc.

I give up.

I have to agree…I was one of the few who cross shopped the M3 and 911….in the end it came down to practicality…I had a 997.1 Turbo & it’s held good value over the last 15 years…my 2 F82’s plummeted, and I expect the same from the G80…there’s no getting around it…it’s the price you pay to have the shiny bright new toy on the block….ultimately Porsche is Porsche though… & when my kids are older I’ll be back with the brand…

 

[Quick///M]

"lacking interest or excitement."

As it, the steering is absolutely lifeless, the engine makes the same noise just louder or softer well i suppose the stereo does that, interior just seems festooned with cheapness the manual is meh, the auto is well auto and the ride is not right for a car that big and heavy it should be more composed/balanced.

I am sure everyone who is interested in pops and bangs love it and parking it outside their local showoff spot will love it. I just don't care it is a car i could not be bothered with.

Nonsense I selected my G87 because it has a superior interior compared to Merc and Audi! Yes I test drove many a car before choosing the G87 not sure what cheapness you refer to ? Secondly the Auto in my G87 is much better than my previous F82 M4 with a DCT box. Car is heavy yes on paper, don't feel it on road to be honest, didn't feel it on track either(Kyalami) but that is same for G87/G80/G82 none of those drivers care until they start seeking Porsche thats when things start to get real and so does the amount you spend..

Pop and bangs ? What you are referring to ? A few burbles on my G87 nothing like you mention most of your commentary seems to be without fact rather just your clouded opinion on "what" you think the G8x series cars are about.

Porsche is what we all aspire to be but its a purpose built car like mentioned here, 99% of the time a practical beast like a G80 sedan will win hands down and that is after taking Porsche pedigree into consideration! As whiteunderarm said the car to have when kids are all grown up.