discussion The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions

Mr Krabs

Active member
Good day,

I hope this message finds everyone well. I have a few concerns regarding the motor plan and condition of our newly acquired BMW.

We recently purchased a BMW with one year left on its motor plan, which we intend to extend by an additional two years if possible. The car was purchased from Audi Bloemfontein, and they had it inspected by BMW Bloemfontein. We also arranged for an additional inspection by Screan, who confirmed the vehicle's good condition. BMW Bloemfontein approved the vehicle’s condition and would processe the motor plan transfer.

The car was delivered to us via truck, at our expense, and was subject to a test drive/demo. Upon inspection, I noticed a small lateral chip on the windscreen. The delivery team and the salesman assured me that the chip had been repaired. Additionally, I found the ride to be slightly bumpy at low speeds, to which I was advised that the new tires might need to be re-pressurized due to their stiffness. At the time, I accepted this explanation.

Furthermore, I discovered that the left door trim was loose and had come apart. BMW Bloemfontein had the car for two days, and I am uncertain if this issue originated there. Audi has suggested booking the car in on Monday at BMW to have the trim reattached.

Believing the car had passed four independent inspections—one each from Dekra, Screan, Audi & BMW Bloemfontein—we signed the delivery notice in good faith. Car was dusty and had bird poop from the travel. So washed it.

I had the windscreen crack repaired as it hadn’t been properly fixed on Saturday. Despite re-pressurizing the tires, the car still feels bumpy. I booked an appointment over the weekend and brought the car to BMW Constantia today. Initially, BMW Constantia couldn’t inspect it as the motor plan needed an update on Ownership. After I contacted both Audi and BMW Bloemfontein, the motor plan was updated within minutes.

During the inspection about the door, and bumpiness, BMW Constantia identified heat damage on the right headlight, which isn’t covered by the motor plan. They also found that three rims are buckled and all four tires are non-run-flat, lower-quality Chinese brand tires. They quoted R47,000 for the door trim repair, x3 new rims, and replacing the tires with x4 new run-flats.

I was quite surprised to hear this. BMW Constantia mentioned that the motor plan transfer of ownership shouldn’t have been approved, given these issues. They suggested that either Audi or BMW Bloemfontein should cover the repair costs. I have called and emailed both Audi and BMW Bloemfontein, and BMW Bloemfontein promised to get back to me tomorrow with work report and resolution from management. Audi’s response was as follows:
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First I would like to apologize for the car not being 100% when you got it.

According to BMW CT there are 3 issues.

1- Head light.

BMW BFN did pick up the mark on the right front head light. They did inform me that there were after marked globes installed by the previous owner. This caused them to generate too much heat. They replaced the globes with original globes, preventing any further damage. Although there is a mark on the lens, it will not influence the performance of the light and therefore don't justify replacing it.

2-Tyres

Our workshop did install tyres that are not run flat tyres. You will see there is a BMW tyre pump in the boot. When a car is fitted with a pump, you do not need to have run flat tyres. Our Audi's work that way and i also confirmed it with BMW Bloemfontein. Remember, run flat tyres you can drive while they are flat. Therefore, you won't have a pump if you have run flat tyres.

3 - Wheels

I did an investigation and found that our workshop did pick up that the wheels are bent and did inform the previous manager at Audi pre owned,

He unfortunately did not have it fixed as he was supposed to and is not working for us anymore.

I have arranged with a place called Mag Master in Cape Town to have the wheels fixed. I will whatsapp you their details. There is even a chance they might have other wheels that they can put on your car, so you don't have to leave the car there while they fix the wheels. Please take the car there at your earliest convenience so we can have this problem resolved. We will carry the cost to have the wheels fixed obviously.

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I raised my concerns with BMW Constantia about the possibility of the motor plan being voided. They are currently discussing it internally with their dealer principal and management. After researching, I found that the motor plan would be voided if repairs were conducted outside the BMW-approved network.

In the process of buying the car. We weren’t informed of any motorplan repairs by BMW Bloemfontein—only that the motor plan transfer was approved.

The service history I accessed after motorplan transfer and printed out for me by BMW Constantia, dated the 24th, indicates that both rear wheel bearings were replaced under the motor plan in Bloemfontein during their 2-day inspection, making it unlikely that three buckled rims would have been missed during this process. Before purchasing the car, I was only able to view the service history records up to before the inspection at BMW Bloem.

Now, am I essentially stuck with this? We’re obviously not willing to cover the costs. BMW Constantia suggested that either BMW Bloemfontein or Audi Bloemfontein should cover it, with Audi willing to pay for third-party work at risk of motorplan being voided. We purchased the car for R390,000, minus R10,000 allocated for traffic and transport costs, and secured an interest rate of 11.6% with our bank. BMW Constantia reassured us that the car wasn’t necessarily a lemon. They confirmed that the mileage and motor plan were favorable, and aside from the headlight, wheels, and rims, everything else appeared to be in good condition.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
LMFAO Oh wow

You are not stuck with it - they must unwind the deal. The vehicle isn't what you paid for and it was misrepresented. BMW HQ will want to know about this as well since that motorplan transfer process is supposed to be watertight to limit their risk. This is enough for them to normally suspend the plan pending an investigation (ie: BMW HQ asks for the car to be inspected for paint thickness and deeper evidence of repairs etc. after which they will void the plan).

The story about runflats is the biggest load of horseshit I have heard in my life. BMW will start to give you shit if you so much as have non-star rated versions of the actual tyres you're supposed to have. It is also not how Audi works as far as I know. If they claimed from motorplan to have the wheel bearings replaced with those tyres on the car, BMW HQ will also want to know.

Either way, a car with low mileage & motorplan active should not have aftermarket globes or non RFT chinese tyres. I think that and should have set off the alarm bells. Logically, if the light was out (or a DRL was out) they would have gone straight to BMW to have it replaced and would not have fitted an aftermarket globe :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

You need to ask yourself what circumstances might result in all the rims being buckled, dodgy tyres being fitted and fong kong bulbs of such poor quality that they burn the housings being on the car...

Anyway if BMW did pick it up and did the motorplan transfer anyway then the Bloem branch will have to take responsibility. Hopefully none of your relatives signed a waiver saying they were aware of the damage and took delivery anyway or inadvertantly agreed to buying the car without motorplan. That said you also need to have the gift of sight and physically look for those warning signs (rubbish tyres are a huge red flag). So are especially clean looking bumpers on black cars with no PPF...
 

Mr Krabs

Active member
LMFAO Oh wow

You are not stuck with it - they must unwind the deal. The vehicle isn't what you paid for and it was misrepresented. BMW HQ will want to know about this as well since that motorplan transfer process is supposed to be watertight to limit their risk. This is enough for them to normally suspend the plan pending an investigation (ie: BMW HQ asks for the car to be inspected for paint thickness and deeper evidence of repairs etc. after which they will void the plan).

The story about runflats is the biggest load of horseshit I have heard in my life. BMW will start to give you shit if you so much as have non-star rated versions of the actual tyres you're supposed to have. It is also not how Audi works as far as I know. If they claimed from motorplan to have the wheel bearings replaced with those tyres on the car, BMW HQ will also want to know.

Either way, a car with low mileage & motorplan active should not have aftermarket globes or non RFT chinese tyres. I think that and should have set off the alarm bells. Logically, if the light was out (or a DRL was out) they would have gone straight to BMW to have it replaced and would not have fitted an aftermarket globe :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

You need to ask yourself what circumstances might result in all the rims being buckled, dodgy tyres being fitted and fong kong bulbs of such poor quality that they burn the housings being on the car...

Anyway if BMW did pick it up and did the motorplan transfer anyway then the Bloem branch will have to take responsibility. Hopefully none of your relatives signed a waiver saying they were aware of the damage and took delivery anyway or inadvertantly agreed to buying the car without motorplan. That said you also need to have the gift of sight and physically look for those warning signs (rubbish tyres are a huge red flag). So are especially clean looking bumpers on black cars with no PPF...
So do we just wait on Bloem branch? PPF is paint protection film right? Audi fitted those dodgy tyres. There wasn't anything on the delivery notice about the damage.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
So do we just wait on Bloem branch? PPF is paint protection film right? Audi fitted those dodgy tyres. There wasn't anything on the delivery notice about the damage.

You don't wait for anything or else your clock runs out:

If I were you:

Put in writing TODAY that you want to exercise your rights to unwind the deal, you are unhappy with the state of the vehicle and how the inspections don't seem aligned to what you received, particularly since BMW should not have approved the motorplan transfer on the basis of unapproved parts and work done to the vehicle which you verified with BMW Constantia. Also state that given the observations and reports so far, it is reasonable to suspect there is further undisclosed history which may or may not be known to Audi or BMW Bloem which might threaten the state of the motorplan in future if it were to come to light after the fact. Copy in BMW customer service, BMW Bloem and your bank which will also light a fire.

Attach the mails to date to this comm.
 

_Sa'oodSheik_

New member
LMFAO Oh wow

You are not stuck with it - they must unwind the deal. The vehicle isn't what you paid for and it was misrepresented. BMW HQ will want to know about this as well since that motorplan transfer process is supposed to be watertight to limit their risk. This is enough for them to normally suspend the plan pending an investigation (ie: BMW HQ asks for the car to be inspected for paint thickness and deeper evidence of repairs etc. after which they will void the plan).

The story about runflats is the biggest load of horseshit I have heard in my life. BMW will start to give you shit if you so much as have non-star rated versions of the actual tyres you're supposed to have. It is also not how Audi works as far as I know. If they claimed from motorplan to have the wheel bearings replaced with those tyres on the car, BMW HQ will also want to know.

Either way, a car with low mileage & motorplan active should not have aftermarket globes or non RFT chinese tyres. I think that and should have set off the alarm bells. Logically, if the light was out (or a DRL was out) they would have gone straight to BMW to have it replaced and would not have fitted an aftermarket globe :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

You need to ask yourself what circumstances might result in all the rims being buckled, dodgy tyres being fitted and fong kong bulbs of such poor quality that they burn the housings being on the car...

Anyway if BMW did pick it up and did the motorplan transfer anyway then the Bloem branch will have to take responsibility. Hopefully none of your relatives signed a waiver saying they were aware of the damage and took delivery anyway or inadvertantly agreed to buying the car without motorplan. That said you also need to have the gift of sight and physically look for those warning signs (rubbish tyres are a huge red flag). So are especially clean looking bumpers on black cars with no PPF...
I agree with this if there was already so much changed and the car came from BMW with a motorplan it makes no sense for them to have non runflats and non oem bulbs. maybe dodging a bullet now will be worth it instead of having worse problems down the line. Service from all ends sounds attrocious rather wait it out until you find a better deal if you dont need the car right now. At the cost of 47k you can service the car and keep it going for a good few years yourself.
 

Mr Krabs

Active member
You don't wait for anything or else your clock runs out:

If I were you:

Put in writing TODAY that you want to exercise your rights to unwind the deal, you are unhappy with the state of the vehicle and how the inspections don't seem aligned to what you received, particularly since BMW should not have approved the motorplan transfer on the basis of unapproved parts and work done to the vehicle which you verified with BMW Constantia. Also state that given the observations and reports so far, it is reasonable to suspect there is further undisclosed history which may or may not be known to Audi or BMW Bloem which might threaten the state of the motorplan in future if it were to come to light after the fact. Copy in BMW customer service, BMW Bloem and your bank which will also light a fire.

Attach the mails to date to this comm.
Must I cc in Audi Bloem as well? BMW Constantia? Or just
BMW customer service, BMW Bloem and your bank
 

TBP88

Well-known member
Fight as hard as you can to have this cancelled, get your bank involved if this was financed. Again, you've been sold something plainly defective, fight tooth and nail. Your bank will have your back here.
 

Mr Krabs

Active member
Fight as hard as you can to have this cancelled, get your bank involved if this was financed. Again, you've been sold something plainly defective, fight tooth and nail. Your bank will have your back here.
Thank you. What about the bank fees? The dealership contract states we are liable for fees? Will this affect our credit score?
 

jld010

Active member
Mate..this is a nightmare fuel situation. Shame on Audi Bloem.

This is why I only consider cars at BMW dealerships and the bigger branches at that like Bryanston/Constantia/Sandton/Umhlanga and always engage with the dealer principle..but this kind of service from Audi is appalling.

Get the deal cancelled.
 

Mr Krabs

Active member
My parents are upset and attribute their frustrations to my hindsight and hastiness regarding this car purchase. They realize that this is not a winning battle and feel that I contributed to the situation. Time is against all of us due to work comminent and university exams. They want to hear from BMW Bloem about the issues. While they may decide to live with the tires and headlight, the rims are a concern. They want them properly replaced or repaired to maintain the motor plan, but they won’t be covering the costs for either.
 

QikNish

Well-known member
I've had this before. Be stern in your response. Mail the F&I person, your salesman and the DP saying the vehicle has issues that are COR relevant and shouldn't have even passed that, let alone all the inspections.

Ask to reverse the deal immediately and collect the vehicle or pay for all repair costs. No exceptions. CPA is on your side.
 

YozTruly

Well-known member
My parents are upset and attribute their frustrations to my hindsight and hastiness regarding this car purchase. They realize that this is not a winning battle and feel that I contributed to the situation. Time is against all of us due to work comminent and university exams. They want to hear from BMW Bloem about the issues. While they may decide to live with the tires and headlight, the rims are a concern. They want them properly replaced or repaired to maintain the motor plan, but they won’t be covering the costs for either.
Sorry mate. Hope this is resolved to the satisfaction of your parents.

If I was in your shoes I would push the parents to return the car and get refund of all the money they paid to Audi related to this car. I can imagine a situation down the road the car breaks down and your parents blame you again. Let them find their own car. You can help them with the research but don’t push them to close on a deal they are not sure about.

Is the BMW your idea or their own?
 

Mr Krabs

Active member
Sorry mate. Hope this is resolved to the satisfaction of your parents.

If I was in your shoes I would push the parents to return the car and get refund of all the money they paid to Audi related to this car. I can imagine a situation down the road the car breaks down and your parents blame you again. Let them find their own car. You can help them with the research but don’t push them to close on a deal they are not sure about.

Is the BMW your idea or their own?
Thank you. I found this car and did all the research I could on it.
 
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