The Era of Bench Flashing has Returned

Sherwin@xcede

BMWFanatics Advertiser
Official Advertiser
The M3/4 and M5/6 ECU's have been heavily protected and the only way to extract more power has been with the piggybacks. Which have been effective & convenient. These ECU's were eventually cracked & bench flashing was available a while ago. But it was not mainstream. The risk of using one's warranty has always been the main consideration in choosing a piggyback over a bench flash.

Well, in the space of a very short couple of months, the tables have turned. A few JB cars have lost their motorplan even after removing the JB and clearing all faults. It seems that if its a big claim, the ECU is interrogated with very low level diagnostics between Rosslyn & Munich and faults that have been cleared can be picked up. And specifically faults on the MAP, TMAP and fuel pressure sensor have been deemed enough "evidence" of a piggyback and the motorplan cancelled.

And in this same breath, cars with a bench flash tested by this same low level diagnostics or FASTA or any other method have not been detected to have been flashed. I personally have had 6 cars scanned specifically for mods and they have not been detected.

Obviously, this is the status quo at the moment and things can change in the future. Anyway, the nett result is an influx of ///M cars being booked in with us and bench flashed. Some of them like M4 competition packs with 30k on the clock. i have done 4 M45 CP's in a week, M6's, M5's, M135's and M235's. on Wednesday I bench flashed 6 cars in 1 day.

And the question of which is better is going to be a ridiculously mundane battle along the lines of Liverpool vs Man United. So I will just post the figures. The throttle response on the different modes can be tuned in the map, so all customers thus far have uttered the same thing after jumping out of the initial test drive. "Dam, the throttle is so responsive now". Also he lag is decreased just a notch and the power is whole lot more progressive and linear.

VANOS and VALVEtronic tuning is also done in the map, and anti-lag is an option. Top speed limiter removal and increased rev limiters as well. Although those 2 features can be picked up by FASTA. Also cold-start removal and a whole heap of other options are available.

F12 M6 ECU on the bench:

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JB Stage 1 on this M6 vs flash, Stg2 with BCM made 503kw on the same car.

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Brand new M4 Competition pack being modded:
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And another 1:

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Yet another M4 being bench flashed:
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Surgically opened and resealed with not even a hint that it was ever opened:

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The process of writing an F80 M3:

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And the end result:

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Plenty M135is done too:

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This M135i went from 195kw to over 300wkw witgh bench flash!
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Mini Cooper also getting the treatment:
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cOlDFuSiOn

New member
These are some awesome graphs! 300wkw N55 with just a flash.. I knew it could be done, no mods needed! :rollsmile:
 

ChefDJ

///Member
No, the dealership prices are high because the dealership prices have always been high. This is why aftermarket anything has been around for decades.

I think this is a great achievement. The onus falls upon the owner of the car that he/she paid for to decide whether they risk losing motorplan or not, regardless of the flashing/tuner game being upped as best as it can to avoid this.

Tuners going through all of this effort to make customers happy and trying to minimise the risks involved shows that they care for their customers. A tuner like this will probably give a customer more support than any BMW dealership will. My only good BMW dealership experience has been with John from Leo Haese Pretoria because he shares the same passion for the brand that we do.
 

Sherwin@xcede

BMWFanatics Advertiser
Official Advertiser
100% agreed. The point is if they want to find out you modded, they probably can no matter what method you use.

I bought a brand new M3 Competition Pack in 2012 and supercharged it a few months later. I broke the engine twice and fixed it at my expense. If you mod your car you must be prepared to pay to fix it outside motorplan
 

ChefDJ

///Member
Gizmo@GARAGE46 said:
I hear you guys. Its true its the owner's risk at the end of the day but its ok because the tuner will make money from it. Breakages will be charged to the dealership and the dealership gets screwed by having excessive motorplan claims.

Cars out of motorplan are no problem. Aftermarket is there for decades because motorplan only lasts so long.

I'm trying to understand this context...

Mcdonalds still makes money from people eating their food regardless of it making those people fat.

Why should tuners not make money if people choose to make use of their services?

You are not being forced to make use of their services, motorplan or not.

Try telling the dealer to give you lower prices cos you don't support in-warranty modifications and see how long their laughing fits ensue.
 

Yuben

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Sabretooth tiger said:
Gizmo@GARAGE46 said:
you still voiding people's motorplan and getting them cancelled.

I disagree with you here. It is not the tuners placing the owners' cars at risk, but the owners themselves. I agree with what Chef said above.
If you willing to risk loosing your plan, the risk is on you as the owner, the tuner did not put a gun to your head to tune your car.
Charlton, you beat me to saying the same thing. I'm of the opinion that Dealers, not BMW alone, are making truck loads of money from sales and servicing, so motorplan payouts are just a drop in the ocean compared to the revenue they are making.

At the end of the day, it is the owners who are running the risk of voiding their plans. Tuners are offering a viable performance enhancement which has been available for years. BMW should have stringent tests in place to detect unauthorised performance upgrades which resulted in mechanical failure. This way they protect themselves and shift the burden onto the owner who knew full well what the ramifications would be should the mods go pear shaped.

If BMW cannot pick, then it is their problem. The same goes for VW, who I'm sure are dealing with much more cases of modded GTI's breaking.
 

Twinz

Forum - Support
Staff member
Its interesting how tuning development threads jump straight to motorplan issues as if MP risks have not been discussed before.

To crack and tune the ECUs of the newer model cars is a great development...thats the goal of aftermarket tuning whether a car is under MP or not.

Congrats on the development Sherwin, those numbers are great too. Flash tuning would always be the prefered tuning of choice to control the OEM ECU. You cracked the N54 Ecu way back in 2007 and i am sure you will continue to set the bench - mark...excuse the pun.

The piggyback tune will continue to be an option for those that do not want to flash their cars even if the flash offers a better tuning result. I see this trend slowly growing in the Gti fraternity.

The power expectations of customers are also growing and mods like Pi, Tbi, meth, flex fuel and nitrous sometimes require some kind of piggyback or plug in wiring, stacked with a flash for better control. Upgraded turbos whether twins or big singles require additional boost control which a flash may not be able to provide. Options such as the Jb4, Boost box, race chip bluetooth or the myriad of diesel piggybacks should be part of our tuning arsenal to meet the growing customer expectations.

Well done man :clapper:
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Sabretooth tiger said:
Gizmo@GARAGE46 said:
you still voiding people's motorplan and getting them cancelled.

I disagree with you here. It is not the tuners placing the owners' cars at risk, but the owners themselves. I agree with what Chef said above.
If you willing to risk loosing your plan, the risk is on you as the owner, the tuner did not put a gun to your head to tune your car.

100% - Owner carries the risk... The tuner is providing a service that the market is demanding.

Owner's actions and conscience are their own to deal with. What is wrong is the entitlement behind expecting a manufacturer to fix things when they go pear shaped...

Interesting that this has come to light but folks on the WA groups and in other threads were saying it was 'impossible' and blaming owners for being stupid for getting caught despite there being numerous examples...
 

325iSmk2

Banned
Fantastic achievement, Sherwin. Some really good numbers there. What kind of 1/4 times are those cars (M4 and M6) getting?

On the subject on MP, the dealers are, again, partly to blame. I personally know of multiple times where a dealer has turned a blind eye dealing with claims on clearly modified cars, because of a buddy-buddy relationship with the owner.

The protocol should be interrogating every car for modifications, and if detected, voiding the motorplan on the modified components. Refusing, for e.g., AC repairs on a chipped cars only works here because our consumer laws are lacking.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Twinz@TheFanatics said:
Its interesting how tuning development threads jump straight to motorplan issues as if MP risks have not been discussed before.

To crack and tune the ECUs of the newer model cars is a great development...thats the goal of aftermarket tuning whether a car is under MP or not.

Congrats on the development Sherwin, those numbers are great too. Flash tuning would always be the prefered tuning of choice to control the OEM ECU. You cracked the N54 Ecu way back in 2007 and i am sure you will continue to set the bench - mark...excuse the pun.

The piggyback tune will continue to be an option for those that do not want to flash their cars even if the flash offers a better tuning result. I see this trend slowly growing in the Gti fraternity.

The power expectations of customers are also growing and mods like Pi, Tbi, meth, flex fuel and nitrous sometimes require some kind of piggyback or plug in wiring, stacked with a flash for better control. Upgraded turbos whether twins or big singles require additional boost control which a flash may not be able to provide. Options such as the Jb4, Boost box, race chip bluetooth or the myriad of diesel piggybacks should be part of our tuning arsenal to meet the growing customer expectations.

Well done man :clapper:

Piggybacks are a swear word in most modern Jap car communities... Intimate knowledge of the stock ECUs has enabled speed density vs. MAF based tuning, map switching, anti-lag, boost control (on ECUs that were for NA cars), flexfuel using unused inputs, changes to TC etc. Piggybacks are now far more sophisticated than they used to be, but still not the same as a proper flash tune or replacement ECU.


MaX said:
ChefDJ@TheFanatics said:
Llew said:
Sabretooth tiger said:
Gizmo@GARAGE46 said:
you still voiding people's motorplan and getting them cancelled.

I disagree with you here. It is not the tuners placing the owners' cars at risk, but the owners themselves. I agree with what Chef said above.
If you willing to risk loosing your plan, the risk is on you as the owner, the tuner did not put a gun to your head to tune your car.

100% - Owner carries the risk... The tuner is providing a service that the market is demanding.

Owner's actions and conscience are their own to deal with. What is wrong is the entitlement behind expecting a manufacturer to fix things when they go pear shaped...

Interesting that this has come to light but folks on the WA groups and in other threads were saying it was 'impossible' and blaming owners for being stupid for getting caught despite there being numerous examples...

Correct. But no amount of complaining on a forum is going to change that. A guy knows if he is a skelm. That's on himself to deal with.

I will gladly pay for any damage to my cars due to tuning. I do however think that the dealer not fixing my blown speaker due to a stage 1 tune is as unethical as guys breaking something and then expecting warranty to fix.

I agree but I have yet to speak to someone who has had that happen at BMW. Other manufacturers are doing this eg: Subaru where there are numerous examples of plans and service agreements being voided for no logical reason.


Sherwin@xcede said:
Gizmo@GARAGE46 said:
Whether it's JB4 or bench flashed you still voiding people's motorplan and getting them cancelled. Dealerships will now update their side of things seeing this and even more motorplans will be cancelled.
Why should the dealerships pay for dodgy customers modding their cars? End of the day every customer loses because the dealership pushes up the price of parts to make up for how much they losing on modded broken cars.:thumbdo:

100% agreed. The point is if they want to find out you modded, they probably can no matter what method you use.

I bought a brand new M3 Competition Pack in 2012 and supercharged it a few months later. I broke the engine twice and fixed it at my expense. If you mod your car you must be prepared to pay to fix it outside motorplan

Love your honesty whereas folks even now as I type this are talking about this thread in other forums and insisting that JB4 etc. are still safe and impossible to detect and 'they have never had a problem'

:clapper:
 

tman

Well-known member
Great post, thanks for the detailed info.

Onus lies with the owner, if you want to play, you have to pay.
 

FiRi@Rennzport

Well-known member
Official Advertiser
Gizmo@GARAGE46 said:
Whether it's JB4 or bench flashed you still voiding people's motorplan and getting them cancelled. Dealerships will now update their side of things seeing this and even more motorplans will be cancelled.
Why should the dealerships pay for dodgy customers modding their cars? End of the day every customer loses because the dealership pushes up the price of parts to make up for how much they losing on modded broken cars.:thumbdo:
The increasing prices at dealerships for new cars and parts, shouldn't effect you at all Gizmo...as nothing with a turbo or after the e46 is good enough

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Sherwin@xcede

BMWFanatics Advertiser
Official Advertiser
Twinz@TheFanatics said:
Its interesting how tuning development threads jump straight to motorplan issues as if MP risks have not been discussed before.

To crack and tune the ECUs of the newer model cars is a great development...thats the goal of aftermarket tuning whether a car is under MP or not.

Congrats on the development Sherwin, those numbers are great too. Flash tuning would always be the prefered tuning of choice to control the OEM ECU. You cracked the N54 Ecu way back in 2007 and i am sure you will continue to set the bench - mark...excuse the pun.

The piggyback tune will continue to be an option for those that do not want to flash their cars even if the flash offers a better tuning result. I see this trend slowly growing in the Gti fraternity.

The power expectations of customers are also growing and mods like Pi, Tbi, meth, flex fuel and nitrous sometimes require some kind of piggyback or plug in wiring, stacked with a flash for better control. Upgraded turbos whether twins or big singles require additional boost control which a flash may not be able to provide. Options such as the Jb4, Boost box, race chip bluetooth or the myriad of diesel piggybacks should be part of our tuning arsenal to meet the growing customer expectations.

Well done man :clapper:

Awesome post my friend! Lots of customers are stacking JB with the flash. They love the features like boost gauge on fuel, ability to change maps, and most especially those running meth, the Jb's meth control. They run my map on map 0 and stack boost on the meth map with the additive I set on the JB.
 
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