PETROL BOMBS FOUND AT WITS UNIVERSITY THIS MORNING

[Ofentse]

The money is definitely available, but allocated to wrong causes...
I work in the telecoms sector and will tell you which money should rather be allocated to student tuition fees in this specific sector...

1. SA Connect Project: The government has allocated billions of Rands to this specific project to roll-out broadband, this is rather unnecessary given that the private sector is doing a sterling job to achieve this end. I mean, MTN will be spending 12billion Rands to roll-out infrastructure this year alone, why bother trying to compete with these operators? In any case, municipalities such as Tshwane are already working with companies like Neotel to connect low income earning communities via initiatives such as Project Isizwe. All the government has to do here is finalise and implement policies such Rapid Deployment and Local Loop Unbundling to foster competition and increase broadband penetration in this country.

2. ICASA: Time and time this entity has been sending money that was allocated to them back to Treasury because of apparent lack of capacity. Icasa can also generate its own money from license fees paid by operators and penalties imposed for non compliance, frankly the government has no business allocating huge amounts of money to this entity and should be spent elsewhere...

3. DTPS and DoC split: Here the government is spending double and unnecessary amounts of money for salaries in these two departments. You have the DTPS creating the so called spectrum policy in one hand, and DoC driving DTT Migration policy as an ecxample. Just one department is quiet capable of handling the telecoms sector. The splitting of the former DoC only created slow progress in this sector with ministers Faith and Siyabonga sometimes not knowing who should execute what...

4. Broadband Infraco: The less said about this entity the better, it has been relying on government hand-outs for years and for what? As indicated earlier, the likes of DFA, Vumatel, Neotel, Frogfoot, Mitsol, TT Telecoms are doing a commendable job connecting this country. They government should cut their losses, sell this entity and run...

I can go on to point out where money is wasted in other sectors, i am sure there is money sitting somewhere doing nothing that can be redirected to education...

 

[VictorMike]

The money is definitely available, but allocated to wrong causes...
I work in the telecoms sector and will tell you which money should rather be allocated to student tuition fees in this specific sector...

1. SA Connect Project: The government has allocated billions of Rands to this specific project to roll-out broadband, this is rather unnecessary given that the private sector is doing a sterling job to achieve this end. I mean, MTN will be spending 12billion Rands to roll-out infrastructure this year alone, why bother trying to compete with these operators? In any case, municipalities such as Tshwane are already working with companies like Neotel to connect low income earning communities via initiatives such as Project Isizwe. All the government has to do here is finalise and implement policies such Rapid Deployment and Local Loop Unbundling to foster competition and increase broadband penetration in this country.

2. ICASA: Time and time this entity has been sending money that was allocated to them back to Treasury because of apparent lack of capacity. Icasa can also generate its own money from license fees paid by operators and penalties imposed for non compliance, frankly the government has no business allocating huge amounts of money to this entity and should be spent elsewhere...

3. DTPS and DoC split: Here the government is spending double and unnecessary amounts of money for salaries in these two departments. You have the DTPS creating the so called spectrum policy in one hand, and DoC driving DDT Migration policy as an ecxample. Just one department is quiet capable of handling the telecoms sector. The splitting of the former DoC only created slow progress in this sector with ministers Faith and Siyabonga sometimes not knowing who should execute what...

4. Broadband Infraco: The less said about this entity the better, it has been relying on government hand-outs for years and for what? As indicated earlier, the likes of DFA, Vumatel, Neotel, Frogfoot, Mitsol, TT Telecoms are doing a commendable job connecting this country. They government should cut their losses, sell this entity and run...

I can go on to point out where money is wasted in other sectors, i am sure there is money sitting somewhere doing nothing that can be redirected to education...

5. SAA
6. SABC

 

[Lizzard]

7. PARLIAMENT :rollsmile:

 

[ChefDJ]

The money is definitely available, but allocated to wrong causes...
I work in the telecoms sector and will tell you which money should rather be allocated to student tuition fees in this specific sector...

1. SA Connect Project: The government has allocated billions of Rands to this specific project to roll-out broadband, this is rather unnecessary given that the private sector is doing a sterling job to achieve this end. I mean, MTN will be spending 12billion Rands to roll-out infrastructure this year alone, why bother trying to compete with these operators? In any case, municipalities such as Tshwane are already working with companies like Neotel to connect low income earning communities via initiatives such as Project Isizwe. All the government has to do here is finalise and implement policies such Rapid Deployment and Local Loop Unbundling to foster competition and increase broadband penetration in this country.

2. ICASA: Time and time this entity has been sending money that was allocated to them back to Treasury because of apparent lack of capacity. Icasa can also generate its own money from license fees paid by operators and penalties imposed for non compliance, frankly the government has no business allocating huge amounts of money to this entity and should be spent elsewhere...

3. DTPS and DoC split: Here the government is spending double and unnecessary amounts of money for salaries in these two departments. You have the DTPS creating the so called spectrum policy in one hand, and DoC driving DTT Migration policy as an ecxample. Just one department is quiet capable of handling the telecoms sector. The splitting of the former DoC only created slow progress in this sector with ministers Faith and Siyabonga sometimes not knowing who should execute what...

4. Broadband Infraco: The less said about this entity the better, it has been relying on government hand-outs for years and for what? As indicated earlier, the likes of DFA, Vumatel, Neotel, Frogfoot, Mitsol, TT Telecoms are doing a commendable job connecting this country. They government should cut their losses, sell this entity and run...

I can go on to point out where money is wasted in other sectors, i am sure there is money sitting somewhere doing nothing that can be redirected to education...

I say this time and time again... You are making the mistake of applying logic.

Like the government is going to stop wasteful expenditure? Or like they are going to consider cancelling projects that they see will potentially benefit the country?

You and I both know that if the government really wanted to fund education better, they would have done so a looooooong time ago.

The money on Nkandla (nevermind the fire pool and chicken cage, I'm talking about the 2 bedroom security huts that supposedly cost 6mil each but in reality can be built for less than 300k each) could have funded many many many students in forms of bursaries that could have been earned by excelling students and gone into funding programs with schools and colleges.

 

[Ofentse]

The money is definitely available, but allocated to wrong causes...
I work in the telecoms sector and will tell you which money should rather be allocated to student tuition fees in this specific sector...

1. SA Connect Project: The government has allocated billions of Rands to this specific project to roll-out broadband, this is rather unnecessary given that the private sector is doing a sterling job to achieve this end. I mean, MTN will be spending 12billion Rands to roll-out infrastructure this year alone, why bother trying to compete with these operators? In any case, municipalities such as Tshwane are already working with companies like Neotel to connect low income earning communities via initiatives such as Project Isizwe. All the government has to do here is finalise and implement policies such Rapid Deployment and Local Loop Unbundling to foster competition and increase broadband penetration in this country.

2. ICASA: Time and time this entity has been sending money that was allocated to them back to Treasury because of apparent lack of capacity. Icasa can also generate its own money from license fees paid by operators and penalties imposed for non compliance, frankly the government has no business allocating huge amounts of money to this entity and should be spent elsewhere...

3. DTPS and DoC split: Here the government is spending double and unnecessary amounts of money for salaries in these two departments. You have the DTPS creating the so called spectrum policy in one hand, and DoC driving DTT Migration policy as an ecxample. Just one department is quiet capable of handling the telecoms sector. The splitting of the former DoC only created slow progress in this sector with ministers Faith and Siyabonga sometimes not knowing who should execute what...

4. Broadband Infraco: The less said about this entity the better, it has been relying on government hand-outs for years and for what? As indicated earlier, the likes of DFA, Vumatel, Neotel, Frogfoot, Mitsol, TT Telecoms are doing a commendable job connecting this country. They government should cut their losses, sell this entity and run...

I can go on to point out where money is wasted in other sectors, i am sure there is money sitting somewhere doing nothing that can be redirected to education...

I say this time and time again... You are making the mistake of applying logic.

Like the government is going to stop wasteful expenditure? Or like they are going to consider cancelling projects that they see will potentially benefit the country?

You and I both know that if the government really wanted to fund education better, they would have done so a looooooong time ago.

The money on Nkandla (nevermind the fire pool and chicken cage, I'm talking about the 2 bedroom security huts that supposedly cost 6mil each but in reality can be built for less than 300k each) could have funded many many many students in forms of bursaries that could have been earned by excelling students and gone into funding programs with schools and colleges.

Hence these demonstrations now...
If they don't want to do the right thing, people will make them to do the right thing, come hell or high water.... :cartel:

 

[ChefDJ]

Hence these demonstrations now...

Let's call a spade a spade.

It's an outright riot, not a "demonstration".

These rioters could have actively made a difference in their own lives to obtain funding for tertiary education just like I did and many before me, instead of ruined the lives of other students and lecturers who are trying to finish the semester.

 

[TBP88]

Education, even at tertiary level, is a fundamental right in our constitution.

I think everyone will agree that destruction of property, let alone actual assault or attempted murder, are wrong.

But the broader issues are real in the sense that people are being denied constitutional rights.

 

[ChefDJ]

Education, even at tertiary level, is a fundamental right in our constitution.

I think everyone will agree that destruction of property, let alone actual assault or attempted murder, are wrong.

But the broader issues are real in the sense that people are being denied constitutional rights.

Basic education is a constitutional right, not tertiary education.

 

[Lizzard]

But because you have the right to free education you now go and burn places down and assault people. I differ to see the differences here as this protest is no longer for free education and it is now a RIOT.

We have criminals not students, if you really want to get someone's attention then dont damage the stuff that you rely on to get your education from or any for that matter. You would have thought that being educated that this will come to mind

Fees is going to increase even more now as these damages needs to be covered by someone. It is working backwards if you ask me.

Learn to do it the correct way, there are more ways to do this then to burn things

 

[Ofentse]

Hence these demonstrations now...

Let's call a spade a spade.

It's an outright riot, not a "demonstration".

These rioters could have actively made a difference in their own lives to obtain funding for tertiary education just like I did and many before me, instead of ruined the lives of other students and lecturers who are trying to finish the semester.

Chef for one to qualify for funding, then one should be able demonstrate the ability to pay. How will you repay banks if you do not work, and your father is paid R2500 in Marikana and your mother is a domestic worker earning R1500?

The route that you took to get your education does not necessarily mean everyone will be fortunate to travel.

Hell i do not encourage violence, but the fight to have access to higher education is justified...
These young people cannot be denied an opportunity to empower themselves and be condemned to eternal life of poverty just because they are from poorer families.

Unlike people who have called for universities to close indefinitely, i disagree, i want to see a commitment from government that they will address this issue. I also want to see these students graduating next year, or progressing to the next level...

 

[Lizzard]

But not for free, as that will NOT happen now. There was no planning for this

 

[TBP88]

It's in the constitution that it should be made progressively available - that progress hasn't been made, ergo peoples rights have been violated.

I think too little has been done to ensure that poor people can have access, there are a hundred horror stories about people finishing final exams and not graduating because they owe 20k to a varsity. The most famous was the UCT petrol guy from last year.

Obviously a lot of the protests have been hijacked and now we have the current impasse. The solution offered by Blade was actually relatively decent, all things considered! Slightly more tax, rich to pay the increases, NSFAS increased. But obviously his delivery was awful and the fact that the plan wasn't communicated or discussed with all stakeholders meant it would never gain traction.

 

[Ofentse]

Education, even at tertiary level, is a fundamental right in our constitution.

I think everyone will agree that destruction of property, let alone actual assault or attempted murder, are wrong.

But the broader issues are real in the sense that people are being denied constitutional rights.

Basic education is a constitutional right, not tertiary education.

Why do insist on drawing a line between the two? perhaps if you can explain i will better understand your assertion...

 

[m20boy]

Education, even at tertiary level, is a fundamental right in our constitution.

I think everyone will agree that destruction of property, let alone actual assault or attempted murder, are wrong.

But the broader issues are real in the sense that people are being denied constitutional rights.

Basic education is a constitutional right, not tertiary education.

Why do insist on drawing a line between the two? perhaps if you can explain i will better understand your assertion...

i think what he meant was that you can live a fairly good life with just basic education ,therefore this should be free .

I think any form of tertiary education should be payed for unless you get good marks to qualify for a bursury .

if one compares a lazy ass student to a hard working one and there is a huge difference in their marks why should they equally get free education ?

 

[Lizzard]

That is exactly what is being shown now, you have hard working students that just want to finish the year so they can get their degrees and work on next year and then you get people who are throwing stones at people and burning places cause they feel that education should be free.

So if your education was paid either via study loans or government then why are you not studying at this moment, it is year end and you should be in your books, not on the street. If you want to fight for a cause then do it the proper way.

 

[dvst8]

Hence these demonstrations now...

Let's call a spade a spade.

It's an outright riot, not a "demonstration".

These rioters could have actively made a difference in their own lives to obtain funding for tertiary education just like I did and many before me, instead of ruined the lives of other students and lecturers who are trying to finish the semester.

Chef for one to qualify for funding, then one should be able demonstrate the ability to pay. How will you repay banks if you do not work, and your father is paid R2500 in Marikana and your mother is a domestic worker earning R1500?

The route that you took to get your education does not necessarily mean everyone will be fortunate to travel.

Hell i do not encourage violence, but the fight to have access to higher education is justified...
These young people cannot be denied an opportunity to empower themselves and be condemned to eternal life of poverty just because they are from poorer families.

Unlike people who have called for universities to close indefinitely, i disagree, i want to see a commitment from government that they will address this issue. I also want to see these students graduating next year, or progressing to the next level...

:clapper:

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Hence these demonstrations now...

Let's call a spade a spade.

It's an outright riot, not a "demonstration".

These rioters could have actively made a difference in their own lives to obtain funding for tertiary education just like I did and many before me, instead of ruined the lives of other students and lecturers who are trying to finish the semester.

Chef for one to qualify for funding, then one should be able demonstrate the ability to pay. How will you repay banks if you do not work, and your father is paid R2500 in Marikana and your mother is a domestic worker earning R1500?

The route that you took to get your education does not necessarily mean everyone will be fortunate to travel.

Hell i do not encourage violence, but the fight to have access to higher education is justified...
These young people cannot be denied an opportunity to empower themselves and be condemned to eternal life of poverty just because they are from poorer families.

Unlike people who have called for universities to close indefinitely, i disagree, i want to see a commitment from government that they will address this issue. I also want to see these students graduating next year, or progressing to the next level...

:clapper:

 

[ChefDJ]

Chef for one to qualify for funding, then one should be able demonstrate the ability to pay. How will you repay banks if you do not work, and your father is paid R2500 in Marikana and your mother is a domestic worker earning R1500?

I went out and I made sure I could study. My parents did not help me. My friends/family did not help me. During studies I worked part time, over time and weekends to fund my needs, at a DVD store in Centurion. When my studies were completed, only then did I start paying off the capital of the student loan, which is the basis of a student loan. I still am paying it off. Having a poor family is no excuse to demand everything for free. I come from a poor family and I could still fund my own studies.

These students don't want to study. They want free education for a degree they don't want to earn because they feel they are entitled to it and won't listen to the option of part-time work because why must they? Their government will give it to them because their government said so... Apparently.

 

[Ofentse]

Chef for one to qualify for funding, then one should be able demonstrate the ability to pay. How will you repay banks if you do not work, and your father is paid R2500 in Marikana and your mother is a domestic worker earning R1500?

I went out and I made sure I could study. My parents did not help me. My friends/family did not help me. During studies I worked part time, over time and weekends to fund my needs, at a DVD store in Centurion. When my studies were completed, only then did I start paying off the capital of the student loan, which is the basis of a student loan. I still am paying it off. Having a poor family is no excuse to demand everything for free. I come from a poor family and I could still fund my own studies.

These students don't want to study. They want free education for a degree they don't want to earn because they feel they are entitled to it and won't listen to the option of part-time work because why must they? Their government will give it to them because their government said so... Apparently.

Not everyone is likely to tell a similar story Chef, you made a choice to get your education pursuing that avenue, and i respect that.

Truth of the matter is that we cannot reduce this issue to personal anecdotes, and simply assume that everyone should follow suit. The reality is that majority of the people in this country need help, and it should be provided.

We are all paying heavy taxes, and it will go a long way if our money is spent on more worthy causes by OUR government, particularly education.

 

[Vader]

Chef for one to qualify for funding, then one should be able demonstrate the ability to pay. How will you repay banks if you do not work, and your father is paid R2500 in Marikana and your mother is a domestic worker earning R1500?

I went out and I made sure I could study. My parents did not help me. My friends/family did not help me. During studies I worked part time, over time and weekends to fund my needs, at a DVD store in Centurion. When my studies were completed, only then did I start paying off the capital of the student loan, which is the basis of a student loan. I still am paying it off. Having a poor family is no excuse to demand everything for free. I come from a poor family and I could still fund my own studies.

These students don't want to study. They want free education for a degree they don't want to earn because they feel they are entitled to it and won't listen to the option of part-time work because why must they? Their government will give it to them because their government said so... Apparently.

Not everyone is likely to tell a similar story Chef, you made a choice to get your education pursuing that avenue, and i respect that.

Truth of the matter is that we cannot reduce this issue to personal anecdotes, and simply assume that everyone should follow suit. The reality is that majority of the people in this country need help, and it should be provided.

We are all paying heavy taxes, and it will go a long way if our money is spent on more worthy causes by OUR government, particularly education.

But when will these people in need realize that OUR current government doesn't believe in spending money on worthy causes because they too busy shoving it into their own pockets.

Guess what the people in need will do, they will vote them in again and again and then protest their unhappiness when the same promises are not delivered on over and over again.

At what point does the proverbial light bulb come on...

 

[ChefDJ]

At what point does the proverbial light bulb come on...

It won't... Eskom :thinking: