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Lizzard
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If they close down the universities, then what about the legit ones that didnt do any of this or isnt part of this burning things.
They need to increase security or call state of the nation on these campuses and then military it to the end of the year, yes unfair to all but better to keep the property intact and not damaged. Also think that more force needs to be done, we are way too lenient these days. We have children, yes I am referring to these individuals as children as this is what they are, are holding the country up, how did we get to this
They need to increase security or call state of the nation on these campuses and then military it to the end of the year, yes unfair to all but better to keep the property intact and not damaged. Also think that more force needs to be done, we are way too lenient these days. We have children, yes I am referring to these individuals as children as this is what they are, are holding the country up, how did we get to this
VictorMike
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Lizzard said:
NtandoN
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ChefDJ@TheFanatics said:
Your point is valid but the devil's advocate in me has to say this. It is difficult to get a job when you only have matric and the best way to increase your chances of employment is to get tertiary education - but even that does not guarantee it. If tertiary education is a privilege then it means the poor cannot be uplifted because they are not privileged enough to afford tertiary education. They will perpetually be a victim of their circumstance. Having said that, there are funding methods for low income/poor people eg. NSFAS, low income focussed bursaries & scholarships; but these methods will never be enough to fund all the poor that are eligible for tertiary education. What do we do with those that fall through the cracks? What about those that get in to university and get financially excluded in the middle of their degree?
I do not support the violence at all. I feel there is merit in the fight for free tertiary education but it cannot be expected that the country should be able to afford it now, maybe in future under a different government but not with Nkandla still fresh in our memories.
Ofentse
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Free education should not, and must never be limited to primary schools and high schools in this country.
Education is the only essential tool that will empower historically disadvantaged groups. It will open doors for young people that are roaming the streets in rural areas, and help them to turn their lives around.
In my view, SA should have prioritised free education in all levels of learning institutions before anything else (including fee housing, water and electricity)
That way, SA will move away from being a state dependent nation to self sustaining nation. The need to empower the people of this country through education can only yield positive results for this country in a long run...
Education is the only essential tool that will empower historically disadvantaged groups. It will open doors for young people that are roaming the streets in rural areas, and help them to turn their lives around.
In my view, SA should have prioritised free education in all levels of learning institutions before anything else (including fee housing, water and electricity)
That way, SA will move away from being a state dependent nation to self sustaining nation. The need to empower the people of this country through education can only yield positive results for this country in a long run...
Are there any reasons that underprivileged students can't apply for NSFAS loans? I myself finished my tertiary education by means of NSFAS. Yes, it's a loan and not "free" education, but to be honest I don't see what entitles these students to free education any ways? why must everything be free? besides, if you do well, a percentage of the loan gets converted to a bursary that u don't pay back, so that's incentive to study hard instead of messing around on campus because hey! it's FREE, why should I work hard?
just my 2c
just my 2c
RAArmstrong
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Everyone just wants everything handed to them on a platter. And that's bull. Even in first world countries tertiary education is not free. If you want something enough. You'll work your ass off to make it happen.
In all honesty I see these protests now as a means to avoid exams and cause havoc. Lock all those bastards up and let the ones that actually care about their education finish their academic years off in peace.
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In all honesty I see these protests now as a means to avoid exams and cause havoc. Lock all those bastards up and let the ones that actually care about their education finish their academic years off in peace.
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VictorMike
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Ofentse said:
Above all else, this is the biggest crime and failing of the current government. Not only did they not provide education for everyone, they actually drove the quality of education into the ground.
RAArmstrong@TheFanatics said:
1 . Germany provides free tertiary education, even to non-Germans.
2. You fail to grasp the unique situation SA is in, in terms of the MASSIVE gap between haves and have nots. There is literally NO way a person in the lowest levels of our economy would ever be ever to pull themselves out of poverty without some help.
ChefDJ
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NtandoN said:
Yes, fair points, and yes the previously disadvantaged also deserve a chance at education. But at the cost of what? Disallowing those who can afford the education their privilege of going to class and completing their exams?
I'm white. Does it mean I studied easily because of rich parents who benefited from some form of imagined riches in earlier years? I am the first person in 250 years of history in my family to have studied, and I did it with a student loan from Standard Bank. I'm 26 years old and still paying off that damn loan.
Nobody of any race, colour, religion, culture or belief is entitled to free tertiary education. Yes, what if the cure to cancer is sitting in the mind of a poor youngster who cannot afford university? Unfortunately life is not fair and never will be. Make it work if you can, but not by demanding something for free which is impossible for the country to provide.
Free education was the biggest, most unruly, unfounded promise ever made by the ANC. It is an impossible feat which anybody of any sound mind should know they cannot afford to provide, yet these criminals are demanding it because they want it.
why should the government not prioritize free education at a high level for all?
its not handing out sweets it is called Nation Building on a fundamental level
its not handing out sweets it is called Nation Building on a fundamental level
RAArmstrong
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One also has to face the fact that in a country of nearly 60 million people we have something like 5 million people paying tax for government coffers. Taking into account what a university degree costs these days. I don't think it's even viable. Definitely not under the current regime.
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ChefDJ
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Of course it's not viable. How many billions would it cost to just pay for everyone's education? And if it does become free, how much of an influx of students will there be?
For the extra millions of students suddenly able to study because it's free:
1. do we have enough classrooms?
2. do we have enough lecturers?
3. do we have enough libraries, information centres and research labs?
4. do we have the space to host all the necessary functions like graduations?
5. do we have enough jobs available for all these qualified people now?
6. do we have enough universities?
7. do we have enough student accommodation already constructed?
8. do we have enough parking at the universities for students who live at home with parents?
The answer to all the above is simply no.
It's physically impossible, even if the government could afford it.
For the extra millions of students suddenly able to study because it's free:
1. do we have enough classrooms?
2. do we have enough lecturers?
3. do we have enough libraries, information centres and research labs?
4. do we have the space to host all the necessary functions like graduations?
5. do we have enough jobs available for all these qualified people now?
6. do we have enough universities?
7. do we have enough student accommodation already constructed?
8. do we have enough parking at the universities for students who live at home with parents?
The answer to all the above is simply no.
It's physically impossible, even if the government could afford it.
VictorMike
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You don't have to provide free education for EVERYONE, just those that achieve a good result.
Passing with 65% or less? Sorry buddy, university is not for you, maybe try a trade?
Passing with 65% or less? Sorry buddy, university is not for you, maybe try a trade?
ChefDJ@TheFanatics said:
sounds like it will create many jobs :rollsmile:
anything is possible and I dont think anyone is expecting it to happen over night
m0lt3n
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moranor@axis said:
But they are expecting it over night. Their point has been made yet they continue to destroy.
Seriously I dont understand the issue, if your marks are good enough you will get a bursary or at least a loan. This should rather be called free holiday for all as thats whats going to come out of it...a free 3 years at varsity with nothing to show
RAArmstrong
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Here's what I also fail to understand. These kids that are protesting are in uni. So by that admission they're relatively intelligent. Yet they continue to destroy incredibly expensive infrastructure and hamper their own education. :smashScreen::smashScreen::smashScreen::smashScreen:
I am not commenting on the current events because I do not understand their Real driving force fully
I am looking more at the border picture and free education is a good thing.
learning a trade is also education and should form part of the border plan.
Yes preference should be given to those who show ability or promise in the field of study
the only real difference with free education as apposed to financed is that the burden of cost will be removed to help equalize the playing field.
normal supply and demand equilibrium will still be at play meaning those that do not work hard will find it very difficult to get into study and will have to find alternatives
I am looking more at the border picture and free education is a good thing.
learning a trade is also education and should form part of the border plan.
Yes preference should be given to those who show ability or promise in the field of study
the only real difference with free education as apposed to financed is that the burden of cost will be removed to help equalize the playing field.
normal supply and demand equilibrium will still be at play meaning those that do not work hard will find it very difficult to get into study and will have to find alternatives
