How does Mercedes-Benz Agility Finance work? [video]

kingr

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So you want to drive a nice car? And maybe a Mercedes-Benz perhaps? The Agility Finance offer from Mercedes has allowed many South Africans to drive these luxury cars, mostly as it makes them “affordable” for many who would normally be unable to buy a Mercedes.

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Nick

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TurboLlew

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@kingr is that you in the vid?

I am sure people are going to argue some of the points with you (this is their problem, not yours) :roflol: but I enjoyed it. Layman's terms and facts.
 

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TurboLlew said:
@kingr is that you in the vid?

I am sure people are going to argue some of the points with you (this is their problem, not yours) :roflol: but I enjoyed it. Layman's terms and facts.

Yes - it's the man himself :smilebounce:

Thanks for the feedback.

Have you noted how many lease new cars are advertised on TV? I pause the adverts and go read the fine print, almost all deals that talk about monthly payments are leases. I mean seriously - people can think you cannot drive a R600k Ford Everest for R6 999 p/m.
 

TurboLlew

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There is no other way they can sell cars en-masse. The economy is shot and there are simply not enough people earning enough (or if they earn enough, with the confidence) to spend R12K+ on a single car per month (even if they wanted to). They have an appetite for a juicy number like R5999 or 6999 and to hell with the consequences (or they understand the deal and are happier having the option to give it back in 3 years).

My finance for an F90 with Wesbank (financed amount R1.855M) @12% linked over 72 months WITH A 30% R/V was R31801. I could not get a better interest rate (BMW finance was 13.35% - R33630/month). I find it absurd and somewhat terrifying that I was approved at all, but it was an easy choice for me to keep my F10 still under plan and do other things. I am sure there are a ton of guys who signed on the dotted line for their M3/4/5, AMG or RS at under 20K/month (or maybe even with similar terms to the above example) because you KNOW you can drive out of that dealer and feel like a million bucks (or two) and have the adoration and attention of everyone for a few months (if that is what drives you).

Thing is, there simply aren't enough guys earning 150K+/month to keep buying these cars (and they don't have enough equity in their GFV or R/V deals to build into a deposit) hence leasing (and the questionable marketing around it) has become normal. People actually buying cars outright are business people (even then people are alot more cautious), the "really" rich as opposed to "paycheck rich" upper middle class, and those pushing or making sacrifices for special cars.

I actually have no problem with leases... but the guys must start to talk about it as exactly that: A lease - and not buy into the marketing to the degree that seems to be the case. They do it in the states without issues or the stigma attached to it. Unfortunately you're right - people genuinely do believe that payment is an 'installment' against the vehicle (even that youtuber from the other thread talks about it like the guy did a great deal for him). People are ashamed to call it a lease.
 

///Maniac

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Nice video. Simply laid out for the guy on the street. One unrelated but interesting fact about Mercedes maintenance plans is that earlier this here they have changed to 5 year/100000km. They are not 6 year plans any longer. I think the change took effect from March registrations. But obviously, they haven't bragged about it as much as they did when they were the only one with a 6yr/100kkm plan lol.
 

kingr

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///Maniac said:
Nice video. Simply laid out for the guy on the street. One unrelated but interesting fact about Mercedes maintenance plans is that earlier this here they have changed to 5 year/100000km. They are not 6 year plans any longer. I think the change took effect from March registrations. But obviously, they haven't bragged about it as much as they did when they were the only one with a 6yr/100kkm plan lol.

Interesting, I reviewed there latest price list and saw this at the bottom of the doc.

https://www.mercedes-benz.co.za/pas...mn1/download.attachment.PC_pricelist_2019.pdf

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6 years/100,000 6 years 100,000 km maintenance contract. No customer contribution
 

///Maniac

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Scrrensgot from the pdf that you linked. I highlighted the date that they changed the plan. Page 40 of the pdf.

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kingr

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ah! Thanks for showing me that. So - why would MB decrease the maintenance plan term? Costs savings? For me, this was one of their competitive advantages. Servicing any MB car out plan is expensive, I know because my BIL has one out of the plan and he has found himself struggling to keep up with the running costs. Basic things like power steering fluid are agents-only.


Correct, new cars are just too expensive to buy cash or with "normal" finance deals.

People are attracted to monthly repayments, that's how many South Africans gauge their status in society - comparing what they can afford monthly. Buy cheap a Samsung for R299/pm or nice iPhone X for R999/pm is the choice many faces.

I'm very fascinated with the "middle-class" and how they spend their money, in our business I see many professionals that make bad car finance decisions and then struggle to get out of the cars. That's also why I create this type of content to educate our users - you cannot buy an expensive car naively. The finance house/bank has no feelings if they need to repossess the car from you.

TurboLlew said:
There is no other way they can sell cars en-masse. The economy is shot and there are simply not enough people earning enough (or if they earn enough, with the confidence) to spend R12K+ on a single car per month (even if they wanted to). They have an appetite for a juicy number like R5999 or 6999 and to hell with the consequences (or they understand the deal and are happier having the option to give it back in 3 years).

My finance for an F90 with Wesbank (financed amount R1.855M) @12% linked over 72 months WITH A 30% R/V was R31801. I could not get a better interest rate (BMW finance was 13.35% - R33630/month). I find it absurd and somewhat terrifying that I was approved at all, but it was an easy choice for me to keep my F10 still under plan and do other things. I am sure there are a ton of guys who signed on the dotted line for their M3/4/5, AMG or RS at under 20K/month (or maybe even with similar terms to the above example) because you KNOW you can drive out of that dealer and feel like a million bucks (or two) and have the adoration and attention of everyone for a few months (if that is what drives you).

Thing is, there simply aren't enough guys earning 150K+/month to keep buying these cars (and they don't have enough equity in their GFV or R/V deals to build into a deposit) hence leasing (and the questionable marketing around it) has become normal. People actually buying cars outright are business people (even then people are alot more cautious), the "really" rich as opposed to "paycheck rich" upper middle class, and those pushing or making sacrifices for special cars.

I actually have no problem with leases... but the guys must start to talk about it as exactly that: A lease - and not buy into the marketing to the degree that seems to be the case. They do it in the states without issues or the stigma attached to it. Unfortunately you're right - people genuinely do believe that payment is an 'installment' against the vehicle (even that youtuber from the other thread talks about it like the guy did a great deal for him). People are ashamed to call it a lease.
 

individj

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less risk....my moms chain snapped on hers...R90 000..happened at 40 000km..and colleague..he paid R40 000 at an indy.

i see that Winfield now offers a service where they refinance your car...so i imagine that you have 2 years left..they refinance the remaining amount over a longer period of time. :skit:
 

Kyle

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individj said:
i see that Winfield now offers a service where they refinance your car...so i imagine that you have 2 years left..they refinance the remaining amount over a longer period of time. :skit:

:fencelook:
 

TurboLlew

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I was on my way back from lunch today with a good friend and our conversation made me think of this thread... She works at one of the big consulting firms. Their business is SHOT... it has literally collapsed in SA and RoA and is being kept on life support from HQ in the states. Appetite and budget for big consulting firms to try random stuff is no longer there. Businesses are in a worse state than we realise. Massmart has some bigshot heavy-hitter coming from the states to 'fix it' (God help you if you work at Massmart... I know all about what this scenario means)

Why did it remind me of this? The Middle class is disappearing - if not to other countries, by virtue of misreported inflation and other factors pushing them into ever less disposable income if not debt and lower on the ladder. 1/2/3-series, A/C class and A3/4/5 are no longer affordable to middle class people and are not attractive to the 10%ers let alone 1%ers. Income can be an indicator but is not necessarily useful as a definition of wealth.

A middle class person can have a net worth of anywhere from R200K to R1.5M which is where a third of WORKING adults fall. Another 2 thirds of the population are UNDER R200K. There is 1% of the population >10M net worth and 5% are around R2M so that might give you an idea of the shape of the population.

This is NET WORTH - not income. Guys earn R1M/year and think they're rich... or that it is sustainable when we are in the environment we are in (and not just SA).

Remember if you are earning R1M (which most people are not), you are giving a bunch of that money right back to the government (R327K) and another 15% in VAT for a lot of what is left over because how else are 4.8M taxpayers (most earning under 350K themselves) supposed to support 47M people?

You then need to eat, drink, clothe yourself (hopefully), insure your life (because you need to give something to your creditors if you die - and hopefully there is some left for your family), insure your 'stuff' that is all rapidly depreciating anyway, pay school fees, get around (fuel, transport money etc), get your kids to school, nannies/domestics/au pairs and have shelter... this accounts for a ton of that balance. None of this goes towards building your net wealth except maybe the house... even then you might think you are living in a 2M house... but that 20K+ per month bond is really 18K+ worth of interest, property market is stagnant and you're only very slowly chipping away at it... You may have a 1M car... but that's worth 20% less immediately after leaving the showroom... and 50% less 3 years later (probably worse). You can see how even if you earn R1M in this hypothetical scenario, you will be damn lucky to get into the 5% let alone 1% (both of which are themselves moving targets) slowly chipping away year after year. 'Real' inflation and currency volatility are meanwhile laughing at even your best investments even if you get to investing (outside of very high risk things). This is why guys beg you to invest and save from an early age but we (myself included earlier in life) do the opposite.

This is why I say the middle class is disappearing (by definition) and the appetite amongst those remaining is greatly diminished. People who might have been OK losing 150K on a 300K car are suddenly not so cool with losing R350K on a 700K car. This is true whether you package it as a 'risk free rental' or as a 'scary balloon'.

So, for that 33% of the population called the middle class - studied to death by marketers, classified as black diamonds, the subject of many business school theses, multimillion rand studies by corporates and psychoanalysed in perhaps more detail than any other market in history... the market has resorted to the band aids and marketing tactics we see today in order to still get value out of them, because we all know that the middle class may look rich and act rich, but is 60-90 days away from literally being on the street.

ALL of these companies (and government for that matter) are so critically dependent on the 1-5% it is now hilarious... The pressure on them is becoming high enough that MANY are once again leaving in probably the 5th or 6th brain and wealth drain in the past couple of decades... the desperation is showing now with the proposed measures to extract tax from expats (spoiler: it won't work).

But hey, lets convince everyone they are rich, need to live a life of a certain calibre, 'deserve stuff' and that because something works for those 6% of people, its a good idea for a very wide band of 33% of the rest of the population so we can make sure German, Japanese, American and Korean companies can continue to meet sales numbers... :roflol:
 

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I believe that there are tough times ahead with a global recession looming..
The trade wars, ANC miscommunications and negative economic growth is only going bring this date closer.
Interest rates are going to decrease to try to stimulate the economy which makes large purchases seem attractive.
A wise thing to do is to be prepared and find a decent financial cushion that will lessen the burden when it's going to come.
It's not if anymore, it's when..

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kingr

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New Video Idea from this thread, "5 reasons why cannot afford the car you want" :roflol:

Fantastic feedback @TurboLlew - that is the cold truth and most people are in denial.
 
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