The New BMW M5

Quick///M

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The BMW M5 is powering into a new era. With 40 years of history under its belt, the legendary high-performance sedan is entering its seventh model generation. And the executive model from BMW M GmbH now has an electrified drive system for the first time. A model-specific version of the M HYBRID system gives the new BMW M5 (energy consumption, weighted, combined: 1,7 – 1,6 l/100 km [166.2 – 176.6 mpg imp] and 25,5 – 25,0 kWh/100 km according to WLTP; CO2 emissions, weighted, combined: 39 – 37 g/km according to WLTP; fuel consumption with discharged battery: 10,3 – 10,2 l/100 km [27.4 – 27.7 mpg imp] according to WLTP; CO2 classes: weighted, combined B, with discharged battery G) maximum output of 535 kW/727 hp and peak system torque of 1,000 Nm (737 lb-ft). The combination of a high-revving V8 engine with M TwinPower Turbo technology and an electric motor, plus power transfer courtesy of an eight-speed M Steptronic transmission and M xDrive all-wheel drive, enables acceleration of 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 3.5 seconds.​


The imposing power delivery and emotionally engaging performance experience served up by the new BMW M5 are accompanied by a new interpretation of the high-performance car design for which M is renowned. Prominent wheel arch and side skirt extensions, the sculptural front apron and model-specific surfacing around the C-pillar – including an embossed “M5” logo for the Hofmeister kink – give the car an athletic appearance that helps to differentiate it more clearly than ever from the BMW 5 Series Sedan. At the same time, an unusually high proportion of surfaces painted in body colour create a puristic appearance with stylish references to its superior dynamic talents.

As such, the exterior design – like the ambience of the luxurious interior, which is enhanced with M-specific features – accentuates the multi-layered character of the new BMW M5. Its sense of poise and assurance is fuelled by vast reserves of power that can be summoned at any time. Kept discreetly in reserve during relaxed, electric-only cruises, this performance comes vividly to the fore as the BMW M5 reveals the “sporty sedan” side to its personality over longer distances – and is unleashed in full during sessions on the track.

The M HYBRID system, plus power transmission and chassis technology tuned to its specific performance characteristics, give the new BMW M5 transverse and longitudinal dynamics unparalleled in this market segment. Together with its similarly outstanding elasticity, the new BMW M5 takes M performance into a new dimension.

The world premiere of the new BMW M5 will take place at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in England in July 2024, with production at BMW Group Plant Dingolfing beginning the same month. The worldwide market launch of the new BMW M5 will start in November 2024 and be accompanied by the introduction of the new BMW M5 Touring at the same time. The most important sales regions for the high-performance sedan are North America and Europe. The USA is the single biggest individual market by some distance, followed by Great Britain, Germany, South Korea, China, Japan and Canada.

M HYBRID drive system in the new BMW M5: intoxicating performance, impressive electric range.

The M HYBRID drive system in the new BMW M5 brings a 4.4-litre
V8 engine with classical high-revving character together with an electric motor, whose performance characteristics are tuned specifically for the BMW M5 and which is integrated into the eight-speed M Steptronic transmission. The combustion engine benefits from cutting-edge M TwinPower Turbo technology, a cross-bank exhaust manifold and optimised oil separation. It develops maximum output of 430 kW/585 hp and peak torque of 750 Nm (553 lb-ft). The maximum output of the electric motor is 145 kW/197 hp. It has nominal torque of 280 Nm (206 lb-ft), but a pre-gearing stage allows effective torque at the transmission input to be increased to 450 Nm (332 lb-ft).

The combination of combustion engine and electric motor adheres to the same principle as the drive system in the BMW M Hybrid V8 endurance racing machine. The ability of the electric motor to generate its power instantly and the intelligently controlled interplay of the combustion engine and motor ensure the M HYBRID system responds without delay to every movement of the accelerator. The linear power delivery typical of BMW M models is found here in particularly compelling form. The eight-cylinder engine can spin to a maximum 7,200 rpm as the new BMW M5 treats its driver to the sensation of relentless power development into the upper reaches of the load and speed ranges. Top speed is limited to 250 km/h (155 mph) as standard, but the limiter can be raised to 305 km/h (189 mph) if the optional M Driver’s Package is specified.

The sports exhaust system of the new BMW M5 underscores the performance experience with a multi-faceted and emotionally enthralling engine note. It features electrically controlled, continuously adjustable flaps and the two pairs of dual tailpipes familiar from other M models, each with 100-millimetre trims in Black Chrome.

Providing an acoustic accompaniment to the power delivery of the electric motor is BMW IconicSounds Electric. This M-specific electric drive sound provides authentic responses to movements of the accelerator when the car is operating in all-electric mode. With the relevant drive system configuration, it also generates an engaging track to highlight the arrival of extra electric power on top of the output from the V8 engine.

In all-electric operating mode, the new BMW M5 can hit speeds of up to 140 km/h (87 mph). The high-voltage battery located low in the car’s underbody has 18.6 kWh of usable energy, enabling an electric range of 67 – 69 kilometres (42 – 43 miles) in the WLTP cycle, which is unmatched by any rival. The Combined Charging Unit of the new BMW M5 allows AC charging at up to 7.4 kW.

The power generated by the combustion engine and electric motor is channelled to the road via the all-wheel-drive system M xDrive, whose rear-biased setup is particularly pronounced in 4WD Sport mode. However, the driver can also select 2WD mode. This sends drive exclusively to the rear wheels with the DSC (Dynamic Stability Control) system switched off, which will appeal to experienced drivers who prefer a performance experience of the pure-bred variety. This further developed iteration of M xDrive – like the electronically controlled Active M Differential at the rear axle – is tailored specially to the performance characteristics of the M HYBRID drive system.
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TurboLlew

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I have looked at so many pics (and despite actually liking the front and not minding the rear) this interior is just bizarre.

Interior:
  • The screen... huge fail for me
  • Touch everywhere... another huge fail
  • Gearshift (or lack thereof) - the way I drove the F10 as well as F90, if you are turning and have the car in manual you tend to use the gearshift to pull up or down a gear as the paddles and your hands are occupied. unless it is a column mounted setup like the Giulia QV or it is 200 degrees lock to lock, this doesn't work. I guess this is not a gripe everyone would have, but the lack of having 'another' option to shift is a problem. At best, it removes another layer of enjoyment

Positives
  • The steering wheel design looks to be great though, as is the seating, use of leather etc.

Exterior:
  • The back is meh and has a profile that doesn't suit the rest of the car (I feel this about the normal 5 series as well). Other than the back I think it will either look way better or way worse in person. It is the least offensive design in recent memory.
  • I don't know why they think more of the car is painted in body colour proportionately but anyway...
  • that M5 logo on the hofmeister kink OMG 🤮

Positives:
  • Front except lower bit
  • Bonnet suitably aggressive
  • Flush door handles
  • Mirror design
  • Evolution vs. Revolution: this doesn't look like some totally different brand of car with a BMW badge attached to it IMHO

Drivetrain remains to be seen. It seems to be a fail at first glance... I mean it's grasping at straws when you're quoting electric range as a differentiator vs. rivals... the whole idea is for the electric bit to add performance. I guess its the same logic that led to the XM disaster of being slower than everything else then releasing another even worse looking, but faster model that was just 'less slower' than everything else (Label Red)

There've been loads of comments everywhere debating whether the car will be 'much better than claimed' somehow. Whether that is true or not, the added weight is absolutely not offset when it comes to these things and even with Mark Jones testing the new C63, he noted that even though it has a superior system to BMW that can recharge itself quite quickly in race mode, it is quick to 100 and the weight is then suddenly very evident as it runs out of electricity.... The evidence being the M3 disappearing into the distance as turbocharged 6 cylinder boost is basically only limited by the gas tank... The comments on his recent test were interesting too. C63 couldn't even make it up to certain speeds. What is more concerning is that existing hybrid BMWs don't have the better tech in the Merc when it comes to the regen, so they get into ever lower states of charge and ever hotter making them progressively worse run to run.

Anyway I do hope to start seeing some of these around (and there WILL be more of these around, I think especially since the pricing is quite aggressive vs. the Mercedes offerings that are above R3M or in the case of the far superior GT63 S E Performance over R4.2M). As much as I always have comments about these things I will definitely drive it and see if it tugs at any heart strings. For the asking price, it had better... Or this is where I jump off the M5 train I guess. I actually still don't know who this car is for? Not existing M5 owners surely? On another note, if there is a wagon it is going to be an absolute BANGER I think (Especially if it comes with the LCI and hopefully any hybrid issues worked out) - I think it will suit the front well and weight less of a consideration: That's what I'd probably buy...
 

M3boi

Well-known member
I have looked at so many pics (and despite actually liking the front and not minding the rear) this interior is just bizarre.

Interior:
  • The screen... huge fail for me
  • Touch everywhere... another huge fail
  • Gearshift (or lack thereof) - the way I drove the F10 as well as F90, if you are turning and have the car in manual you tend to use the gearshift to pull up or down a gear as the paddles and your hands are occupied. unless it is a column mounted setup like the Giulia QV or it is 200 degrees lock to lock, this doesn't work. I guess this is not a gripe everyone would have, but the lack of having 'another' option to shift is a problem. At best, it removes another layer of enjoyment

Positives
  • The steering wheel design looks to be great though, as is the seating, use of leather etc.

Exterior:
  • The back is meh and has a profile that doesn't suit the rest of the car (I feel this about the normal 5 series as well). Other than the back I think it will either look way better or way worse in person. It is the least offensive design in recent memory.
  • I don't know why they think more of the car is painted in body colour proportionately but anyway...
  • that M5 logo on the hofmeister kink OMG 🤮

Positives:
  • Front except lower bit
  • Bonnet suitably aggressive
  • Flush door handles
  • Mirror design
  • Evolution vs. Revolution: this doesn't look like some totally different brand of car with a BMW badge attached to it IMHO

Drivetrain remains to be seen. It seems to be a fail at first glance... I mean it's grasping at straws when you're quoting electric range as a differentiator vs. rivals... the whole idea is for the electric bit to add performance. I guess its the same logic that led to the XM disaster of being slower than everything else then releasing another even worse looking, but faster model that was just 'less slower' than everything else (Label Red)

There've been loads of comments everywhere debating whether the car will be 'much better than claimed' somehow. Whether that is true or not, the added weight is absolutely not offset when it comes to these things and even with Mark Jones testing the new C63, he noted that even though it has a superior system to BMW that can recharge itself quite quickly in race mode, it is quick to 100 and the weight is then suddenly very evident as it runs out of electricity.... The evidence being the M3 disappearing into the distance as turbocharged 6 cylinder boost is basically only limited by the gas tank... The comments on his recent test were interesting too. C63 couldn't even make it up to certain speeds. What is more concerning is that existing hybrid BMWs don't have the better tech in the Merc when it comes to the regen, so they get into ever lower states of charge and ever hotter making them progressively worse run to run.

Anyway I do hope to start seeing some of these around (and there WILL be more of these around, I think especially since the pricing is quite aggressive vs. the Mercedes offerings that are above R3M or in the case of the far superior GT63 S E Performance over R4.2M). As much as I always have comments about these things I will definitely drive it and see if it tugs at any heart strings. For the asking price, it had better... Or this is where I jump off the M5 train I guess. I actually still don't know who this car is for? Not existing M5 owners surely? On another note, if there is a wagon it is going to be an absolute BANGER I think (Especially if it comes with the LCI and hopefully any hybrid issues worked out) - I think it will suit the front well and weight less of a consideration: That's what I'd probably buy...

Ehhh...

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TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member

I take it back: That rear still doesn't work :ROFLMAO:

in that case I'd rather have this without the hybrid bit to worry about and (incredibly) slightly faster to 100km/h:

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Teezoh

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When you need an explanation video on the new looks you know shit went south...

"giving the car emotion, sleeker curves" exactly the same plot as "The Substance" if you ask me, both ending the same too.
 

FILV

Well-known member
When you need an explanation video on the new looks you know shit went south...

"giving the car emotion, sleeker curves" exactly the same plot as "The Substance" if you ask me, both ending the same too.
Its like sitting all your friends down, and explaining what actually makes her pretty lol
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
So... the drive will come next week but I finally saw it in the metal:

The front is absolutely E60 Evolution. Is it as pretty or timeless? Not to me, BUT it is undeniably an M5 and a BMW design which is also MUCH better in person than the pictures.

  • It has a very large amount of 'heft' in the design which you may or may not like. I personally like the front. There are some interesting lines including the bonnet creases. It also doesn't look like a front-end loader in real life. Will any F90 owner buy one because of the looks? Well probably not... but also many F10 owners became F90 owners over time and it is not nearly as offensive as the G80 was when it first came out...
  • ... which is why the performance is going to matter on this as well as the sound. The sound was anaemic at best. Petrol particulate filters have not been kind to enthusiasts. This was the case in the F90 LCI and it is WORSE now. Definitely a vacuum cleaner compared to M5s of the past.
  • They didn't mess with a lot of the good from the M5 Interiors of yore... but my god, the screens are terrible. It's worse because the rest of the interior is quite good so it sticks out more: It makes you feel like you're in a much cheaper car. While I appreciate that alot of guys like tech, go see or drive something like a Panamera Turbo S (which also has giant full LCD configurable screens in a similar side by side configuration but doesn't look like it is from Wish or Temu. It's possible to execute this in a much better way. It is so much worse that it is so obviously two screens glued together to look like it's big and there was a missed opportunity to do fun things with continuity... Without the screens in that configuration, I think it would be fine (even with those weird ambient lights that have now gone from 'just enough' to 'ok stop now'. That said I am someone who didn't even want the logos to light up on the seats in the prior gen so some folks will love it.
  • There is no actual shift knob... I don't know if the people to make these decisions actually use these cars spiritedly let alone on track... not that these will likely end up anywhere near track days. It wouldn't be an issue if the paddles were column mounted instead of wheel mounted. but IIWII - we will have to get used to this since they are all doing it.
  • The rear is where it falls apart for me. This was the case with the normal 5er as well. The angles don't scream BMW let alone M5... not unless you delve very far into the past perhaps to the E12. I have zero doubt there is some crazy exhaust planned to fix that lower section as well as a dramatic redesign with the LCI but it isn't here yet. It could be improved with a bit of more thoughtfully designed carbon and a (much larger than M Performance) spoiler perhaps.
  • It is very VERY difficult to disguise weight... This is theoretical to most folks because they don't have much lighter or much heavier things on hand to drive back-to-back. For most G90 owners the problem won't be the weight itself but rather what that does to the feeling and the fact that it's looks are also very much 'fuller figured'.
  • I think BMW knows that this is a difficult sell hence keeping the pricing relatively good and base spec quite high. At R3.3M chasing Merc pricing for E-classes it wouldn't be attractive at all. At R2.7M It is only 'slightly' more expensive than a 3 or 4 year old E63 and still a whole R1.7M cheaper than a GT63 which is the only sort of similar sedan Merc has left. It is as 'well priced' as a R2.7M car of its kind can be I guess?
  • Tyres are interestingly Hankooks. Everyone had a different opinion on why this was the case ranging from 'they will have Michelin for delivery' to 'these are the only ones that have the load/speed rating'. Most likely money just traded hands and this was the result of some B2B deal as with Oil and fuel 'recommendations'. I know nothing about these particular hankooks. However brace for every tyre shop to market run of the mill Hankooks as a premium tyre because it comes on the new M5...

I feel like some of what they have done in the execution of the G90 was to start widening the gap between the M3 and the M5. They were getting to be quite similar in weight with the G80 gaining and F90 losing weight vs predecessors. The F90 M5 felt far more precise than the F10, despite still having that lunatic streak (to me anyway) that differentiates the drive vs. the M3. Most M5 (and M3) owners don't care about track use or otherwise they have the 'actual' car that M3 owners think their car is supposed to be when it comes to that. I feel like there is now a clearer delineation between the two in cost, (I assume) feel, size, price and performance (M5 coming off worse in all these cases on paper).

Anyway let's see how this plays out further and how many we see on the roads. It will be more than we think.

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TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
3.13s 0-100 tested on Autotrader UK.

3.5s BMW stats.

*Disclaimer EDIT: Without descending into the world of armchair racing with spec sheets and hype articles:

The mags tend to be lower than the manufacturer claimed stats. F90 was between 2.8 and 3.1s off a claimed 3.3s. The delta between the magazine/media tests vs the claimed time is aligned to what we saw 5/6 years back. That being said, it is clear the G90 is not a slow car :ROFLMAO:
 
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