The new G45 X3 vs G01 photos

[TurboLlew]

Noted on the updates, I just dont recall ever getting one for the X3.

Pay to play for activating fucntions built into the car is coming if we like it or not. I already see it in industry, for example we use HAAS CNC machines which we can spec with certain upgrades like memory, extra modules etc. BUT all machines come std with the hardware so if at a later stage I want to upgrade I give them some $$$ and they give me a code and I have the added functionality.

The X3 does not have seat warmers, I would have loved to have it built into the car as standard so I could activate it at a later stage by paying a premium, and from a production point fo view its often cheaper to build all the cars with the addons than customising them.

The only physical buttons remaining on the dash is volume, skip forward and back and some demister function, the 1-8 shorcut buttons are gone. They have retained the idrive controller and the buttons around it on the centre console.

Well it isn't coming, it's already here. I'd have less of an issue with it if there was actually some cost saving associated with this or benefit of any kind passed down the chain. Whether it's your CNC machine or BMW or a laptop for that matter, you as a person see no benefit out of it unless perhaps you're also a shareholder of the company.

As long as you're happy with it that's all that matters. Seems the market is now geared to folks with this mindset anyway.

 

[TurboLlew]

Sounds like a Black Mirror episode. On the plus side at least there's an alignment of things we will not be able to afford and things we don't care for.

LOL yeah I am out on this one. I am one of the dinosaurs that struggles to understand how you can buy something (at no discount of any kind - if anything it's a premium), have everything sitting there ready to go and then have to pay to 'unlock' things or (worse) subscribe to use the thing I have paid for. Granted as I've mentioned before I have no issue paying a platform/data fee or for access to live services. However I am not a CIO managing my data centre footprint or compute costs where I need 'as a service' things for my literal car

Speaking of Black Mirror, BMW has long been using data stored in 'other' control units to deny mod claims, which is fair enough... but now, Toyota's telemetry units are alerting HQ when you have gone over a certain speed and deny your warranty claims even on their known-unreliable/flawed new vehicles and Ford will soon be reporting you for speeding . Again, these are not things that are coming: they are already here. Enjoy (or vote with your wallet...).

Ford wants patent for tech allowing cars to surveil and report speeding drivers

A patent application filed in July by Ford describes how photographs of speeding cars would be packaged in a report for police that includes the time, location and speed of an offending vehicle.

therecord.media

 

[TBP88]

LOL yeah I am out on this one. I am one of the dinosaurs that struggles to understand how you can buy something (at no discount of any kind - if anything it's a premium), have everything sitting there ready to go and then have to pay to 'unlock' things or (worse) subscribe to use the thing I have paid for. Granted as I've mentioned before I have no issue paying a platform/data fee or for access to live services. However I am not a CIO managing my data centre footprint or compute costs where I need 'as a service' things for my literal car

Speaking of Black Mirror, BMW has long been using data stored in 'other' control units to deny mod claims, which is fair enough... but now, Toyota's telemetry units are alerting HQ when you have gone over a certain speed and deny your warranty claims even on their known-unreliable/flawed new vehicles and Ford will soon be reporting you for speeding . Again, these are not things that are coming: they are already here. Enjoy (or vote with your wallet...).

Ford wants patent for tech allowing cars to surveil and report speeding drivers

A patent application filed in July by Ford describes how photographs of speeding cars would be packaged in a report for police that includes the time, location and speed of an offending vehicle.

therecord.media

TBH the funny part will be in 10yrs time when these things are all hacked. Remember the R35 ECU was "unhackable" and it was cracked in a few years. the same will happen here. Then every single feature you can imagine will be unlocked even though you managed to snag a basement spec car from WBC

 

[TurboLlew]

TBH the funny part will be in 10yrs time when these things are all hacked. Remember the R35 ECU was "unhackable" and it was cracked in a few years. the same will happen here. Then every single feature you can imagine will be unlocked even though you managed to snag a basement spec car from WBC

It wouldn't surprise me if their solution to this was to issue a 'security alert' and brick everything if they find out you rooted 'their' ECU . They 'own' your connection, the SIM card and your car is effectively a device on their systems that can be managed accordingly.

OEM serialised parts being required for service is next... Imagine fitting pirate parts and then the whole car shuts off for your safety or perhaps major features are disabled until you 'fix' the issue at an authorised facility (for your safety of course). This is also here... just that it is limited to farm equipment and apple devices right now . EU and US debate around right to repair is all that is stopping this becoming more widespread. Manufacturers probably already know how they would execute it. It would also eliminate their other 'current' problem of a large installed base of relatively reliable and serviceable units in the field. Very complex topic in terms of ethics, legality and philosophy behind it... but for another day.

 

[TBP88]

It wouldn't surprise me if their solution to this was to issue a 'security alert' and brick everything if they find out you rooted 'their' ECU . They 'own' your connection, the SIM card and your car is effectively a device on their systems that can be managed accordingly.

OEM serialised parts being required for service is next... Imagine fitting pirate parts and then the whole car shuts off for your safety or perhaps major features are disabled until you 'fix' the issue at an authorised facility (for your safety of course). This is also here... just that it is limited to farm equipment and apple devices right now . EU and US debate around right to repair is all that is stopping this becoming more widespread. Manufacturers probably already know how they would execute it. It would also eliminate their other 'current' problem of a large installed base of relatively reliable and serviceable units in the field. Very complex topic in terms of ethics, legality and philosophy behind it... but for another day.

I cannot see how this would pass EU muster. But even then, some techie out there will work out how to fool the connection. Imagine your car wirelessly connects to piratebay for updates, not bmw.com.

 

[TurboLlew]

I cannot see how this would pass EU muster. But even then, some techie out there will work out how to fool the connection. Imagine your car wirelessly connects to piratebay for updates, not bmw.com.

There are plenty of ways to turn tech (be it hardware or software) into paperweights, if not immediately then when they are rebooted and try to call home to servers on which they are blacklisted or servers which have been shut down. The encryption war is already a thing... but besides this you are jailbreaking your car, getting it to call home to a different set of servers and then also hoping that the servers are going to stay up and won't be compromised.

Ask anyone who has tried to stay ahead of Adobe tactics to keep their (legit unhacked) CS6 alive (after Adobe now said it is end of life, turned off activation servers, claimed it was 'illegal' and ultimately revoked the key itself).