2016 M4 comp - has comments - advise needed

[SinghGP]

Good Afternoon everyone.

I am in the market for a M4 F82 Comp..
I have seen one in vereeniging this morning, 2016 in pearl white with red interior and carbon front lip...

deal was almost done, and I said i want to go check the print out at bmw, if all checks out was goign to pick up the car tomorrow.

i see there was a comment, accident damage in 2017 repair at Zambesi ARC.

they want alot for this car... what should i do?

 

[TBP88]

If you're asking here, you know your answer already...

 

[Swiegie1]

How much damage? Bumper respray or 100K repair?

 

[Quick///M]

I have been through this, first you need to ask yourself do I really want to purchase this car even though I have found out that it was accident damaged ? If the answer is no cut all ties and move on, if yes then you may want to cover yourself I would suggest the following:

1. Get a full report of what was replaced at the ARC its probably just a job card with many comments or the actual invoice to the customer or their insurance, the dealership selling the vehicle can help you or you just go direct to the ARC
2. From that report determine if this is something minor where it can be overlooked, if it was major where more than 30% of the car was repaired you might want to cut ties and move on. If it was a bumper respray or similar you should be good.

I purchased a car that had major accident damage that was not disclosed by the dealer in 2017, I was lucky to have them purchase the car back from me and it was a BMW dealership. With other non bmw dealerships you might not be so lucky.

Good luck

 

[FILV]

A comment could be a bumper repair from a parking mall accident. So just try to confirm what was the value of the repair.
It is more difficult these days due to the Popia act to get these values.

 

[TurboLlew]

An ARC may be able to at least give you the value but won't be able to give you the details due to POPI as FILV says. At present this is limited to the value of the repair.

The unfortunate thing is that you won't likely get an idea of whether it was a structural repair or if it was cosmetic. The cost does NOT give you an idea of this unless it is 250K+ (IMHO). You can have an incident that takes out your bumper, a headlight and a radiator/oil cooler and on an M this would be a 150K+ repair. However you may have no structural damage. On another note you may hit a pothole and break a shock tower or borderline mechanically write off the car and it WOULD be structural damage (and less likely to be repaired 100%, hence less acceptable) yet the amount might be similar and car may even have its original paint/bodywork intact 🤦‍♂️

You take these chances when buying a used car, but one positive is at least you know there WAS an incident which you can use to bargain a bit or to walk away. Many don't get this option and blindly buy a car that may have had damage.

Unfortunately unless you make an educated guess (somehow with telltale signs of paintwork/issues under the car) or you receive some under-the-counter intel, I would suggest that if you have some discomfort related to this rather walk away.

 

[KarshS]

There are so many M4s poping up for sale.... Car sales arnt doing very good.
There will be more.....

Comments drop the value of a car, dont listen to what anyone tells you. When you selling a dealer will drop the value on a trade or the next person will do the same as you and have doubts.

Unless this car is going for a steal of a price that you cant refuse then you may want to dig deeper into the comment.

 

[KarshS]

May be the lighting but that rear bumper and boot looks like a different shade of white (Rear end accident maybe).
Front bumper might have been done at the same time with that shade of white.

But could be lighting

 

[Quick///M]

May be the lighting but that rear bumper and boot looks like a different shade of white (Rear end accident maybe).
Front bumper might have been done at the same time with that shade of white.

But could be lighting

@KarshS spot on! This is Zambesi ARC thing they never match the paint correctly, I had a small ding on the bumper of my second M4 in the last 6 months of ownership and they did the very same thing, when I questioned them they said it was a close enough match to pass QC. Something I lived it eventually. if you look ever so closely the rear bumper looks yellowish

 

[SinghGP]

Thanks guys.

Looks like it was a small repair, no parts needed from bmw. They don't want to give me much more details then that.

The dealership was the one that helped get the info, they were not aware as well.

The car is well priced for the spec, there are non comps for more same year model, I'm getting a very good deal on the trade in.

I will take this into consideration, alot to think about.

 

[GravityLee]

Looks like it was a small repair, no parts needed from bmw. They don't want to give me much more details then that.

The dealership was the one that helped get the info, they were not aware as well.

The car is well priced for the spec, there are non comps for more same year model, I'm getting a very good deal on the trade in.

Every sentence is a literal red flag.

 

[SinghGP]

Most likely walking away...
Search will continue

 

[TurboLlew]

Thanks guys.

Looks like it was a small repair, no parts needed from bmw. They don't want to give me much more details then that.

The dealership was the one that helped get the info, they were not aware as well.

The car is well priced for the spec, there are non comps for more same year model, I'm getting a very good deal on the trade in.

I will take this into consideration, alot to think about.

Oh shame, they weren't aware, hey?

The dealers are always aware. WBC, Wheelie and dealers all showed up at home to buy my wife's car. All already knew that the car was in a crash and the accident history. You yourself can buy this information for R270-350 from Vin Docs even if you didn't have Coisman to check as well. I did this for a few cars already.

With BMW and Merc even higher chance that the dealer knew as they would have confirmed whether plan was active, confirmed the service history and most definitely asked about comments during this exercise as that is a huge selling point for these cars.

This is not to say a car was repaired off grid and thus has no repair history - of course that can happen and is the ONLY legitimate excuse for a dealer "not being aware".

If the car has comments loaded at BMW, as is the case with this car, it is 110% absolute HORSESHIT that the dealer was 'unaware'. Now you need to trust that it was a small repair with no parts needed Source: Trust me bro

That being said, its up to you - at least you know to do extra checks (and try to dig yourself) around the details if you do want to explore further. I think we are also quick to think it was a total write off when it very well could have been a relatively small thing you're comfortable with (obviously price adjusted to take this into account). It's just that the behaviour of the dealer leads me think that this wasn't 'just a small thing'

 

[TBP88]

At this point, don't walk, run. Unless you're getting it for pennies.

 

[SinghGP]

At this point, don't walk, run. Unless you're getting it for pennies.

It's not pennies.. and the didn't want to budge on price.

I have moved on...

 

[r0ckf1re]

Thanks guys.

Looks like it was a small repair, no parts needed from bmw. They don't want to give me much more details then that.

The dealership was the one that helped get the info, they were not aware as well.

The car is well priced for the spec, there are non comps for more same year model, I'm getting a very good deal on the trade in.

I will take this into consideration, alot to think about.

Ask yourself why!


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[jld010]

How much was the car going for and mileage?

 

[SinghGP]

R799 000
81000kms
Fsh till 77000 I think

 

[jld010]

Naah mate..those are awful numbers..800k for a 81k mileage M4 is daylight robbery..and it turned out be an actual robbery. There are 2016 M4s with mileage under 40k for 800k on Autotrader.

 

[SinghGP]

Sorry, comp