Groundbreaking judgment outlaws spanking

Dirtydeedsman

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Pretoria - Parents should think twice about lifting their hands to their children; those who hit children will no longer be able to plead special defence in court if criminally charged.

The Gauteng High Court, Joburg, ruled on Thursday that the defence of reasonable chastisement was not in line with the constitution and no longer applied in law.

The judgment did not create a new offence, as hitting a child, whether your own or someone else's, has always been assault under the country’s criminal law.

However, in the past a parent who smacked or spanked a child had special defence of reasonable chastisement to plead. They stood to be acquitted of assault if they could prove that the chastisement was moderate and reasonable.


But Judge Raylene Keightley, in a groundbreaking judgment for the rights of children, found the defence that allowed parents to physically discipline their children was inconsistent with the constitution.

The judge emphasised that the intention was not to charge parents with a crime, but to rather guide and support parents in finding more positive and effective ways of disciplining children.

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The judgment arose from an appeal by a father who had been convicted of assault for beating his 13-year-old son in a manner which exceeded the bounds of reasonable chastisement.

He accused the child of watching pornographic material on the family iPad. The teenager denied this, but the father persisted in giving him a severe spanking. His son suffered several bruises to, among other areas, his legs.

The lower court earlier postponed the passing of sentence against the father for a period of five years.

In deciding on the father’s appeal, the court invited submissions from interested parties on the subject of reasonable chastisement.

Various NGOs joined the proceedings as friends of the court, including the Children’s Institute, Quaker Peace Foundations and Sonke Gender Justice. They were represented by the Centre for Child Law.

Judge Keightley, in her judgment, referred to an affidavit submitted on behalf of Social Development Minister Bathabile Dlamini, who agreed that the defence of reasonable chastisement was unconstitutional.

The judge pointed out that the whole orientation of the Children’s Act was towards prevention and early intervention and to guide parents towards more positive and effective parenting of children, rather than using violence.

The court said protecting children was particularly important in the context of the high levels of child abuse and violence that prevailed in society.

The judge emphasised that South Africa was not the first African country to do away with corporal punishment in the home.

She said half of the countries in Africa had publicly committed to doing so. Countries such as Kenya, Tunisia and South Sudan actually abolished corporal punishment in all settings.

The judge said under the common law it was up to the parent to decide on the level of physical force the child deserved as punishment.

“Many parents may believe they they are behaving reasonably. However, given the levels of child abuse and domestic violence in our country, it is likely that many a child is subjected to levels of physical punishment that, regardless of their parents’ belief, they are unable to withstand”

The judge said this was out of line with the child-centred model of rights demanded by the constitution. She concluded that she could find no reasonable justification to permit parents to assault their children for disciplinary purposes.

Karabo Ozah of the Centre for Child Law said, in reaction to the judgment: “It comes at a time when South Africa is reeling from accounts of violence and abuse of children. It is positive news in a sea of depressing accounts of children being victimised.

“It is good that the court has taken this step,” Ozah added.

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I am not going to deny that there is such a thing as child abuse and some parents take it too far but I was a terrible child and if it was not for constant spanking I would have been in jail now or dead.

I don't have any kids but I am sure when I do they will have their asses torn apart if they stray.

Do you spank your kids?
 

Nick

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Spanking is a good thing!
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ChrisBrand

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Staff member
I was m@ered with a wooden spoon, flip flop and my teachers threw cricket balls at my head when i talked in class.

Best thing they could have done.
 

Nick

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Ya jees, i got tanned a few times in my time.
Its why i have a fear of skirting boards to this day...
 

JayDrft

Member
For a second there, I thought I would have some upset girlfriends...but after reading it...:fencelook:

Im thinking these clever people are banning a good hiding....then they must provide a suitable solution, where the little blik$ems are going to obey a parents good willed instructions.

I got very few hidings, the reason why: The hidings i did get, woke me up and made me realise that for every action, there is a reaction...good actions = good reactions...misbehaviour = warm klap. Simple but it works...

I spank my kid, but only, and only once I have exhausted all possible means of getting through to him. This all happens after explaining it to him, so he understands why he is getting it, instead of drawing off the hip with a flatty.
 

Woodies

Well-known member
Yeah it sucks some parents just take it too far and ruin it for good parents just trying to discipline their kids. At school, detention and other punishment was a joke, but getting a canning from the headmaster made me think twice. Maybe they will change the rules back again in 20 years time when no one has any respect for anyone else.


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ChefDJ

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Look at the discipline in England and you will see exactly where this system will lead to.

Pathetic.
 

Lizzard

Active member
Wow, some people are amazing ne ........

How is it that if your child does something wrong (which a child is brought up as a figure of speech to be the same as the parents, you can see your parents in you) and then punished for the wrong doing that he/she can run to court to criminally charge you for it........ Makes me not wanting children cause you can see it in the teens of now how they behave, the type of respect they give others.

Think about it, when you walk pass someone and that person is struggling, do you help. If someone wildly greed you and you dont know him, do you greet back. Do you say excuse me and pass but only once the other person responded. These are small things but they are lost in the teens of now.....

Punishment made us what we are and creates and shapes the person you become and are today. Without it you will have no respect, dont care attitude..... things you can see in the teens of now.

This is really sad
 

PLV

Well-known member
Absolutely absurd....

As per always - there are extremes - and those need to be prevented, etc...

But...

...without some form of discipline (and the appropriate type befitting the circumstances), it becomes a free for all... and kids will just do what they want when they want.
 

TurboLlew

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Good luck enforcing this

There isn't enough space in prisons for the indian community alone...

:roflol:
 

AshG108

///Member
I do not agree with this, I watch kids around the family including mine...kids are advanced or rather exposed to so much more with every generation.

With that comes so much of confidence and they push boundaries much earlier and tone more further as well...I am one for spanking however I hardly got spanked because I was so kak scared of getting spanked that the "death stare" from one my folks got me already shutting up, using my forgotten manners or remembering how to behave.

I did not need the spank, one look was all it took!!!

Nowadays, the kids tell you NO to your face and look at you with a dumb stare and actually take you on...what do you do? I say, because of this "Lets talk to them first..." it kinda makes them think we tons more softer.

Then when you get a spanking...ohhhh eh eh!!!!
 

FiRi@Rennzport

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Obviously we talk first....what kind parent you think we are....

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FiRi@Rennzport said:
Yeah...This doesnt apply to indian parents:smilebounce:

Somebodies gonna get hurt reaaaaal bad...

Or Eastern European parents. My mom had (probably still has) one spoon for cooking and another for klapping. My dad used whatever was in close proximity. A rolled up Sunday Argus is a mean thing.
I once asked my dad if he could swear at me instead of a spank. I got doubly spanked :hammerhead:
Now I have kids and they do get a spank when they deserve it and when every other avenue of negotiation has expired. I will never allow a nanny state to tell me how to raise my kids. It was good for me, it will be good for them.
 

Ebo

Active member
As long as I pay for their school fees, food, lodge etc., damn skippy they will get klapped from time to time. Talking helps, but taking away their precious Phablets, ps4's etc is currently working for me personally so no real need to spank.

Us muslim boys got it the worst i think:

Oh you dont wanna pray? you get klapped
Not home before sunset you get klapped
You back chat - you dead man walking
If you had a sister/ s you royally skrewed - i.e. they lose anything they not suppose to on your watch - your dead
:smilebounce:
 
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