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Carbon fiber bits and tits
11-12-2018, 09:29 PM
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Carbon fiber bits and tits
Hi all,

Just want to vent a little. Now, I think we can all agree that carbon fiber parts just sets any car off, however, am I the only one peed off with the imitation crap available on the market at the moment. I have come to realize there are parts being sold as genuine whilst they are printed on plastic and I had a look over the weekend and saw what looks like fiber glass wrapped in carbon and the prices are way upwards of 4K for a front spoiler. And not to mention the poor workmanship. This reminds me of the old days when fiber glass was just on just about everything and in most cases looked like rubbish. As it is it’s difficult to get parts for the f32 then you get guys selling rubbish for the price of genuine carbon fiber. I also think that some of the guys are just ridiculous with their prices for the original. I enquired about the prices of the carbon fiber sheets and the vacuum bags and with adapters to start fabricating myself and it turns out it’s not expensive at all. A few places around Johannesburg offer the start up kits.

I also came across a guy in China mall here in Hilfox that actually sell the skin which you have to drew onto your spoiler thus the carbon fiber is not the spoiler and you still need a spoiler. I can import the parts and it will cost cheaper but I’m waiting on parts for over six months now which is laying at customs.

Can we not these things cheaper?

Vent over and out.

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12-12-2018, 07:25 AM
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Disappointing post...I only clicked on it because i read tits. FencelookRofl

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12-12-2018, 08:26 AM
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(11-12-2018 09:29 PM)Slant Wrote:  Hi all,

Just want to vent a little. Now, I think we can all agree that carbon fiber parts just sets any car off, however, am I the only one peed off with the imitation crap available on the market at the moment. I have come to realize there are parts being sold as genuine whilst they are printed on plastic and I had a look over the weekend and saw what looks like fiber glass wrapped in carbon and the prices are way upwards of 4K for a front spoiler. And not to mention the poor workmanship. This reminds me of the old days when fiber glass was just on just about everything and in most cases looked like rubbish. As it is it’s difficult to get parts for the f32 then you get guys selling rubbish for the price of genuine carbon fiber. I also think that some of the guys are just ridiculous with their prices for the original. I enquired about the prices of the carbon fiber sheets and the vacuum bags and with adapters to start fabricating myself and it turns out it’s not expensive at all. A few places around Johannesburg offer the start up kits.

I also came across a guy in China mall here in Hilfox that actually sell the skin which you have to drew onto your spoiler thus the carbon fiber is not the spoiler and you still need a spoiler. I can import the parts and it will cost cheaper but I’m waiting on parts for over six months now which is laying at customs.

Can we not these things cheaper?

Vent over and out.

I agree with you 100 % ...... been looking for some carbon pieces and struggling to find dunno anymore

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12-12-2018, 08:33 AM
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(12-12-2018 07:25 AM)Twinz Wrote:  Disappointing post...I only clicked on it because i read tits. FencelookRofl

RoflRofl
I just read all of that and literally I now feel like a tit.
Nothing good here C, have to find something else about tits elsewhere.

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12-12-2018, 08:43 AM
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I saw a F30 last night with fake "carbon" bits everywhere. It was hideous. The side rocker sticker (or whatever its called) didn't even have the correct fitment/colour/font.

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12-12-2018, 08:57 AM
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Im taking it you have never worked with fibreglass or carbonfibre? Its expensive because of the amount of labour involved...there's also a difference between items that are carbon skinned, wet carbon and dry carbon.
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12-12-2018, 09:07 AM
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(12-12-2018 07:25 AM)Twinz Wrote:  Disappointing post...I only clicked on it because i read tits. FencelookRofl

Click Bait ! Rofl

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12-12-2018, 09:38 AM
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(12-12-2018 07:25 AM)Twinz Wrote:  Disappointing post...I only clicked on it because i read tits. FencelookRofl

Same hear...damn man!

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12-12-2018, 09:44 AM
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(12-12-2018 08:57 AM)NBN Wrote:  Im taking it you have never worked with fibreglass or carbonfibre? Its expensive because of the amount of labour involved...there's also a difference between items that are carbon skinned, wet carbon and dry carbon.
There is no such thing as wet/dry carbon.

We talk about pre-preg and infused carbon.
Depending on the process, both have similar strength and appearance. It is impossible to tell what process was used after the fact.

Also, even Audi OEM carbon parts are fibreglass with the outer layer made from carbon. Maybe the R8 is an exception, but I dont know.

My more expensive carbon fabrics cost R2000 for 80 grams (ie one square metre) it can be horribly expensive to make stuff from it.

Most aftermarket parts are also carbon skinned fiberglass.

Also, if you want quality carbon fibre parts, go to the guys that supply race teams, but they are VERY expensive.

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12-12-2018, 01:38 PM
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Genuine carbon fiber will cost you an arm and a leg. Most of the aftermarter replica carbon Bits that are on the market worldwide are all Carbon skinned. You complaining about 4k for a lip or diffuser, makes we wonder what will happen if you see the price of a genuine carbon fiber product, for example... we sold 50k genuinse vorsteiner diffuser we sold to an M4 client a few years back, and I'm still shocked at the price.

With that being said, there are different qualities available on the accessories we and many other offer. It all depends on how much the seller is willing to pay the suppliers for their stock. Some opt to go the extremely cheap route, and you get what you paid for.

With regard to dry carbon, there is a something called dry carbon, I urge you to read up what it is and there numerous articles on it. I have posted one under the Rennzport vendor section. We have brought in a few items in dry carbon and the quality is excellent, as the ires no fiberglass or overlays, however is 2 to 3 times the price of carbon overlay accessories....and thus a very slow seller.

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12-12-2018, 01:54 PM
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RE: Carbon fiber bits and tits
(12-12-2018 09:44 AM)Carbon Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 08:57 AM)NBN Wrote:  Im taking it you have never worked with fibreglass or carbonfibre? Its expensive because of the amount of labour involved...there's also a difference between items that are carbon skinned, wet carbon and dry carbon.
There is no such thing as wet/dry carbon.

We talk about pre-preg and infused carbon.
Depending on the process, both have similar strength and appearance. It is impossible to tell what process was used after the fact.

Also, even Audi OEM carbon parts are fibreglass with the outer layer made from carbon. Maybe the R8 is an exception, but I dont know.

My more expensive carbon fabrics cost R2000 for 80 grams (ie one square metre) it can be horribly expensive to make stuff from it.

Most aftermarket parts are also carbon skinned fiberglass.

Also, if you want quality carbon fibre parts, go to the guys that supply race teams, but they are VERY expensive.

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Btw, i was using the pseudo term, whereas you used the technical name... po-tay-to , po-tah-toe

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12-12-2018, 02:06 PM
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(12-12-2018 07:25 AM)Twinz Wrote:  Disappointing post...I only clicked on it because i read tits. FencelookRofl
Rofl

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12-12-2018, 02:34 PM
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(12-12-2018 01:54 PM)NBN Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 09:44 AM)Carbon Wrote:  
(12-12-2018 08:57 AM)NBN Wrote:  Im taking it you have never worked with fibreglass or carbonfibre? Its expensive because of the amount of labour involved...there's also a difference between items that are carbon skinned, wet carbon and dry carbon.
There is no such thing as wet/dry carbon.

We talk about pre-preg and infused carbon.
Depending on the process, both have similar strength and appearance. It is impossible to tell what process was used after the fact.

Also, even Audi OEM carbon parts are fibreglass with the outer layer made from carbon. Maybe the R8 is an exception, but I dont know.

My more expensive carbon fabrics cost R2000 for 80 grams (ie one square metre) it can be horribly expensive to make stuff from it.

Most aftermarket parts are also carbon skinned fiberglass.

Also, if you want quality carbon fibre parts, go to the guys that supply race teams, but they are VERY expensive.

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Btw, i was using the pseudo term, whereas you used the technical name... po-tay-to , po-tah-toe

https://www.drbeasleys.com/blog/2018/01/...revisited/
Almost everything in that blog post is inaccurate.

Some parts completely incorrect, but mostly just inaccurate.

Pre-preg and infused layups can both be gossy/matt, stonger/weaker and cheaper/expensive.

It all depends on a myriad of factors, including but not limited to, resin type, cure cycles, fibre type, volume fractions and porosity.

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07-01-2019, 01:01 PM
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(12-12-2018 08:26 AM)Claudio Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 09:29 PM)Slant Wrote:  Hi all,

Just want to vent a little. Now, I think we can all agree that carbon fiber parts just sets any car off, however, am I the only one peed off with the imitation crap available on the market at the moment. I have come to realize there are parts being sold as genuine whilst they are printed on plastic and I had a look over the weekend and saw what looks like fiber glass wrapped in carbon and the prices are way upwards of 4K for a front spoiler. And not to mention the poor workmanship. This reminds me of the old days when fiber glass was just on just about everything and in most cases looked like rubbish. As it is it’s difficult to get parts for the f32 then you get guys selling rubbish for the price of genuine carbon fiber. I also think that some of the guys are just ridiculous with their prices for the original. I enquired about the prices of the carbon fiber sheets and the vacuum bags and with adapters to start fabricating myself and it turns out it’s not expensive at all. A few places around Johannesburg offer the start up kits.

I also came across a guy in China mall here in Hilfox that actually sell the skin which you have to drew onto your spoiler thus the carbon fiber is not the spoiler and you still need a spoiler. I can import the parts and it will cost cheaper but I’m waiting on parts for over six months now which is laying at customs.

Can we not these things cheaper?

Vent over and out.

I agree with you 100 % ...... been looking for some carbon pieces and struggling to find dunno anymore


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07-01-2019, 01:58 PM
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The useless crap 90% of importers bring in costs nowhere close to what they try to sell them for regardless of labour or time involved in the process. They also weigh alot more. I got OEM diffuser, spoiler and mirror caps close to the same price some vendors were asking for fakes (M Tax on gumtree and OLX is more than BMW HQ). Having seen many of these reps on cars I can safely say the quality is appalling both on weave and fitment. I had two of the gumtree crew send me pics of OEM items and then when I arrived they say ya the original part also has that shit weave... riiiiight. The only guy who will honestly tell you the product is not 100% and prices accordingly is Jimmy at carbon sport. Renzport has some good stuff and priced accordingly too... it ain't cheap but it also isn't crap. What OP is talking about is very frustrating cos these guys want to charge OEM prices for sweatshop specials... and I can only guess the standards of their clients are just low or they have never seen or priced some stuff. I know its probably different on non M cars, but the pricing is horrific for anything that is in M fitment in the aftermarket space... and there is a take it or leave it attitude. The BMW carbon parts are definitely not skinned fibreglass. The weave is literally perfect. Anyone us welcome to compare or see it up close. I would imagine original schnitzer and vorsteiner would be to the same standard. They are simply too thin to have fibreglass cores. I am sure I have pics of the other sides of all my parts... will post and you can see it is carbon on the other side too.

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11-01-2019, 12:56 AM
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(07-01-2019 01:58 PM)TurboLlew Wrote:  when I arrived they say ya the original part also has that shit weave... riiiiight.

Those people are blind...

The OEM and other well known after market Brands Carbon Fiber parts, some how the weave just look so good and you can tell the difference straight away.




Also once you put the Carbon Fiber Front Lip on you need to put like Side skirt etc. otherwise the car will look off, Just my point of view though.
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11-01-2019, 09:17 AM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2019 09:18 AM by Slant.)
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Hi, still looking and resorted to order a few pieces from AliExpress. I’m not sure about the quality but if I’m not happy I’ll sell it for the price I paid which is still much cheaper than what these guys are asking. Will update when it arrives, might take a few months tho...ps went to seegerdezign yesterday, the guys are very friendly and their prices and quality are about the same as most. I only saw one F33 carbon boot spoiler up to my standard but won’t fit my car (f33 is apparently wider than f32 or the boot is different) and priced at R4500. I found that same spoiler made by M&L spoilers for R1500. I also dont like the “take it or leave it attitude” of some of these guys. anyway.... if I find a good source I’ll update this post

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11-01-2019, 09:45 AM
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I agree... i had the opportunity to compare a genuine AC Schnitzer front lip for an E92 M3 with a cheaper replica. Total difference in the structure, weight and finish of the product. Original was thin but strong. You could even see the carbon weave on the back of the spoiler. Replica alot thicker, fibreglass with carbon overlay clearly. Original cost R20k. Replica cost R4k

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