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Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
15-11-2018, 10:51 AM
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RE: Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
(15-11-2018 09:53 AM)Kimeran Wrote:  I have received a number of fines for those average speed cameras, so I know they work.
Apparently they only switch it on during busy periods, not sure how true that is though.

Receiving a fine in the post and not signing for it, is no proof that you actually received the fine. Just chuck it in the bin. If you get stopped at a roadblock, say that you did not receive a fine. They need to provide you with proof of the fine and a period of time to pay the fine. They cannot arrest you at the roadblock, if you did not receive (and sign for) a summons in the past.

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15-11-2018, 11:50 AM
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RE: Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
(15-11-2018 10:51 AM)MR_Y Wrote:  
(15-11-2018 09:53 AM)Kimeran Wrote:  I have received a number of fines for those average speed cameras, so I know they work.
Apparently they only switch it on during busy periods, not sure how true that is though.

Receiving a fine in the post and not signing for it, is no proof that you actually received the fine. Just chuck it in the bin. If you get stopped at a roadblock, say that you did not receive a fine. They need to provide you with proof of the fine and a period of time to pay the fine. They cannot arrest you at the roadblock, if you did not receive (and sign for) a summons in the past.

Disclaimer for legal purposes- the above is what my friend says. Bluebiggrin

You do not have to have signed a summons in order for them to arrest you. If the fine warrants an arrest, they will arrest you.

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15-11-2018, 12:36 PM (This post was last modified: 15-11-2018 12:37 PM by MR_Y.)
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RE: Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
(15-11-2018 11:50 AM)ChefDJ Wrote:  You do not have to have signed a summons in order for them to arrest you. If the fine warrants an arrest, they will arrest you.
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I agree, partially. Refer below:

"Police can also arrest you at a roadblock for unpaid fines but only if a warrant has been issued against you for those specific fines and the officers can present you with a valid copy of the document".

https://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a...s-20170627

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15-11-2018, 12:49 PM
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RE: Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
(15-11-2018 12:36 PM)MR_Y Wrote:  
(15-11-2018 11:50 AM)ChefDJ Wrote:  You do not have to have signed a summons in order for them to arrest you. If the fine warrants an arrest, they will arrest you.
Skit

I agree, partially. Refer below:

"Police can also arrest you at a roadblock for unpaid fines but only if a warrant has been issued against you for those specific fines and the officers can present you with a valid copy of the document".

https://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a...s-20170627

I understand and agree with what the law says, but try to explaining this to a cop who refuses to listen. You not going to win. Rather get it sorted before you travel to avoid your holiday been ruined.
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15-11-2018, 01:34 PM
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RE: Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
(15-11-2018 12:36 PM)MR_Y Wrote:  
(15-11-2018 11:50 AM)ChefDJ Wrote:  You do not have to have signed a summons in order for them to arrest you. If the fine warrants an arrest, they will arrest you.
Skit

I agree, partially. Refer below:

"Police can also arrest you at a roadblock for unpaid fines but only if a warrant has been issued against you for those specific fines and the officers can present you with a valid copy of the document".

https://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a...s-20170627

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15-11-2018, 01:47 PM
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RE: Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
(15-11-2018 12:36 PM)MR_Y Wrote:  
(15-11-2018 11:50 AM)ChefDJ Wrote:  You do not have to have signed a summons in order for them to arrest you. If the fine warrants an arrest, they will arrest you.
Skit

I agree, partially. Refer below:

"Police can also arrest you at a roadblock for unpaid fines but only if a warrant has been issued against you for those specific fines and the officers can present you with a valid copy of the document".

https://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a...s-20170627

Producing both the warrant and the fine is no problem. They have the equipment sitting in their vans to find and print both if you want them to. What I am saying is that they do not have to prove you received the fine with any signed document on the spot of arrest. They will arrest you, and you have to then prove you never received a fine in court. It's bail money, it's legal representation (if needed), it's time off work. Honestly, just pay the fines that you know may have a warrant out for you. Any post office will tell you which fine it is when you go apply for your licence disk renewal. Not all fines end up in warrants of arrest.

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15-11-2018, 01:57 PM
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(15-11-2018 12:49 PM)yush1 Wrote:  
(15-11-2018 12:36 PM)MR_Y Wrote:  
(15-11-2018 11:50 AM)ChefDJ Wrote:  You do not have to have signed a summons in order for them to arrest you. If the fine warrants an arrest, they will arrest you.
Skit

I agree, partially. Refer below:

"Police can also arrest you at a roadblock for unpaid fines but only if a warrant has been issued against you for those specific fines and the officers can present you with a valid copy of the document".

https://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a...s-20170627

I understand and agree with what the law says, but try to explaining this to a cop who refuses to listen. You not going to win. Rather get it sorted before you travel to avoid your holiday been ruined.

Actually, I did argue (rather, peacefully discuss) this with a cop at a roadblock on the way to Sun City in Aug 2014. They said that I had R14,000 in outstanding fines since 2006 (camera fines, not spot fines). I admitted that I did not receive any of the fines in the post, nor did I receive any summons to that effect. I also produced him and his team with a letter from the JPSA (I still keep a copy of this in both my cars) clearly stating the relevant traffic fine acts. After 30 mins of discussion, I was let go with the option to pay the fines in installments. It is another long story how I fought that a few days later.

The bottom line is that if you have your facts in order, do not threaten or intimidate (no cellphone recordings) the cops, and keep to your story in a light toned manner, you have nothing to worry about.

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15-11-2018, 02:01 PM
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RE: Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
I'd rather have "nothing to worry about" and just pay the fines. My car is already out of MP - I don't need other stresses on the road Rofl

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16-11-2018, 11:25 AM
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I'm actually shocked to hear those average speed cameras work. We drive down there once or twice a year and I've flown past those many times with no problems, we do however usually drive through the night or very early hours of the morning.
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16-11-2018, 01:46 PM
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(16-11-2018 11:25 AM)KiLLRoYza Wrote:  I'm actually shocked to hear those average speed cameras work. We drive down there once or twice a year and I've flown past those many times with no problems, we do however usually drive through the night or very early hours of the morning.

Stopping half way is the trick.

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01-12-2018, 11:31 AM
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(14-11-2018 10:33 AM)MR_Y Wrote:  Hi,

The N3 TC (toll concession) has officially announced that Van Reenen's Pass will be subject to major road rehabilitation from now, going on for the next 22 months!

More details on N3 TC Twitter and Facebook pages.

The only relief for holiday makers is that work will be stopped from 14 Dec until 7 Jan.

I am going down to DBN before then and will see how bad it really is.

Are there any good (safe) alternative routes to bypass the Pass? Don't trust Google Maps.

Bringing the thread back to the above topic.
Has anyone travelled the N3 recently?
I am going next week.
I have marked the alternative routes as suggested earlier.

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11-12-2018, 11:42 AM
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Update.

Drove there on Sunday.
No issues, besides the heavy rain.

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11-12-2018, 01:27 PM
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(11-12-2018 11:42 AM)MR_Y Wrote:  Update.

Drove there on Sunday.
No issues, besides the heavy rain.
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14-01-2019, 09:20 PM
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RE: Van Reenen's Pass going through major road works
Bit of a post holiday thread revival..
We went away in Nov before the rush.. So did not do the Dec trip down, I will be doing the Jhb --> Kzn trip in Feb.. Plan to stick to the N3, is all okay with this road now? I usually drive it in the early morning hours to avoid as many other drivers as possible Fencelook

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14-01-2019, 09:26 PM
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Travelled over Christmas. No roadworks on Van Reenen. Going down again next weekend. Will report back.

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(14-01-2019 09:26 PM)RAArmstrong Wrote:  Travelled over Christmas. No roadworks on Van Reenen. Going down again next weekend. Will report back.

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15-01-2019, 10:07 AM
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According to the N3TC page on Twitter, construction commenced this week Skit

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(15-01-2019 10:07 AM)S1NGH 911 Wrote:  According to the N3TC page on Twitter, construction commenced this week Skit

OMW what luck.. I don't really know the other routes around very well, this is going to be chaos Hammerhead

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